All of this thanks to HBCU :)
By - Thryloz
3 degrees and a doctorate?! I sure hope she is getting some scholarships
I'm glad someone else's brain went there too.
My wife just finished her doctorate program this spring with SMU. It was fully funded, and we bring home $200k+ together (i make 140k, she makes 80k).
Her current loan balance is ~80k. I only have a bachelors and an associate degrees in IT, both were full ride scholarships.
She’s now looking for chief people officer, chief diversity officer, or chief learning officer roles right now. Interviewing this week.
Hope your wife gets a nice job!!
Could still be quite expensive though
First doctorate, no less.
Not just that they're rarely on the top end of STEM fields. So if you want go to into industries with the most socio-economical movement you're in for a bad time.
Yup. I was broke, and the state school offered me a full ride. So I went with that, no HBCU’s in my home state. So I said fuck it.
I agree with this but also disagree. I agree that HBCUs are far from being the top in STEM fields as far as research opportunities and resources. But I also think HBCUs have great connections to other universities where you can do internships and get this experience where they specifically target HBCUs
Your opinion is misguided. This post proves just that: HBCUs accept Black students that many PWIs won’t, and when they arrive they are nurtured and mentored in ways PWIs can’t. Once there, they are free from racism (e.g., sexism, classism, and homophobia not guaranteed, but we are working on it). An HBCU alum can enter those industries you have described knowing they are just as prepared as any Black or White PWI alum. They are also going to benefit from and contribute to a network and legacy within Black culture that quite frankly is virtually impossible for a Black PWI alum to do.
And how do I know this? I’m a Morehouse alum with a doctorate from a PWI teaching graduate level courses at another PWI. I see my Black students and undergrads struggling without support and being offered connections like the White kids. I see them going broke (just like HBCU students, to be fair), but without the community and nurturance of their HBCU counterparts. A cheaper degree at undergrad does not necessarily make for a sturdy career later, but some may not be ready for that conversation.
HBCUs are not for everyone, that may be true. But let’s not pretend they don’t offer Black youth something vital and largely missing in the mainstream American educational pipeline. And y’all would be wise to remember that.
I had a similar experience but with Spelman. I was 8/8 with colleges acceptances and got money from all (need based and/or academic scholarships) and Spelman gave me NOTHING — and then had the nerve to have a current student call me and tell me I should come anyway in the hopes of qualifying for an academic scholarship for freshman year grades. Nah. Went to an Ivy (my first choice school for years) and graduated debt free.
I went to Spelman on a non- Spelman scholarship (NASA). This was in 91 when tuition was “only” $23K…you know, how much my car cost! It was the best thing that ever happened to me but I cannot imagine how people PAY for it. It’s crazy! And alumnae give back! (My line donated $160K for our 25th anniversary). I’m glad I don’t have children bc I could not pay for Spelman or Morehouse (or Howard or Hampton)
That is really wonderful!
Thank you 💙
Hbcu aren't trying to compete with state schools.
They're competing with the fancy "Christian" lowkey racist but also kinda highkey racist AF private colleges.
And here In thought a bunch of HBCU were state schools ( South Carolina State, Kentucky State, Grambling State).
Some of them are.
Depends on the HBCU
Morgan is a state university. Has been since 1975. I went there, too. It was one of the best experiences of my life!
Lol they had me fucked up...
You still a Man of Morehouse.
Just go to a CC, it's cheap and everyone can get in.
Honestly can’t believe not everybody has figured this out yet. Went to community college for first two years of undergrad and spent probably under 10K for it. They’ll also have lots of connections to local universities.
That's what I got my little brother to do. The only reason you don't see a lot of people doing it is because of the stigma of CC students being failures where university students are "on an assured path to lifelong success."
Lol fuck that. Unnecessary debt is for the birds.
Crazy part about it, them university students will shit on you for going to CC or worse, trade school
Noooo! More people need to learn that it’s ok to take up a damned trade! Blue collar work is not low class! In fact, do it long and well enough and you can easily be making six figures. It will probably help alleviate these inflated education systems and job requirements too. Master’s degree and four years experience, my ass.
Yeah, but the kind of people who will shit on you for going to a CC or a trade school more than likely also have a litany of *reasons* to shit on people for doing all manner of things they feel is beneath them. They're toxic, shit-tier people themselves and probably best avoided..
Spending the first 2 years in CC means you miss out on all of the finally-independent-from-our-parents sex, though.
Honestly, the I'm-finally-out-of-my-parent's-house pussy really ain't something you wanna miss out on so I'll give you that. It's something that you either experienced those first years or it's gone forever
Speaking from experience, no, no it doesn’t.
Yep. Buddy of mine did 2 years at a cc, then went to a well regarded state school. Met him at our ivy league masters program.
He was good with debt until that last part lol.
If I could go back, I definitely would have sucked it up and gone to my local community college for two years. My major classes deadass didn't start until the 2nd semester of my sophomore. I could have sucked up staying home for another year and a half to save money.
When I went to Community College, you had to pay for your books, but tuition was free. It was just the best bargain to be had in California. That ended shortly after I left to do my final two years at a state university.
Yep. Did mine in CA too. Was able to pay for everything with a relatively small college fund from my grandfather and working a few odd jobs. Obviously not everybody has the same situation, but definitely people who are set on school should take advantage of this track. Especially in CA where the government seems to actually implement policies that help their citizens be full people.
I'm not sure what the CCs near you look like but here they are all commuter schools. Most people I know didn't want to give up the traditional college experience of dorming/having independence and partying to save money. I can kind of relate to that feeling, but I went to CC anyway and didn't pay for anything because the pell grant covered all my costs and then some. I also got pretty good grades at CC so I got a decent scholarship to my new school which covers half of my tuition for my entire time here.
That experience is largely a bunch of bullshit. Been there done that and it wasn’t all that and a sack of potatoes. You can have independence and party for way less than the cost of on campus dorming.
I hear ya. I got to do a decent amount of partying through my friends who dormed at local colleges. I also live right outside of Boston so clubbing has been fun too. Plus being able to drive and not paying out the ass for campus parking is great.
Also, (and this may depend on which CC, but it was true of mine) classes are smaller and you have more chance of being taught by an actual professor instead of a TA. One of my math teachers was head of the whole department. Several of my professors taught at the CC and at the local more "prestigious" university as well.
I was a theater major, and another advantage of the community college - smaller school, smaller department = more opportunities. Over several productions I got to do lights, sound, stage managing, props, sets, costumes, acting, and directing, whereas at bigger colleges you usually get pigeonholed into doing just one thing, or the jobs are so competitive you're lucky to get a grunt work stage hand position.
Downsides, my CC didn't have dorms (I don't know if that's typical) so I still lived at home and didn't have the full college social life experience, but that's not what I was there for anyway. And personally, to me it was made up for by the fact that a larger proportion of students were of various ages, many being working adults going to school part time, so I wasn't surrounded by just a bunch of 18-19 year olds. Everyone was there to learn, not to party, so everyone took things like group projects seriously. Not that there weren't parties. Being in theater meant cast parties every month or two.
I went to UCLA and one summer, I took some classes at Santa Monica Community College. You are absolutely right. The class sizes were small and the professors were better than the ones I had at UCLA that year. The big difference from both is that UCLA does research so you do get a lot of smart professors but that did not mean they were good teachers. Though I did enjoy living in the dorms and having the full student experience, I worked full time while at UCLA though most students didn’t but in CC, most people had jobs and a lot had kids too so things were more flexible which in retrospect might have been helpful for me. I had a friend that didn’t get into UCLA so went to CC for two years then transferred to UCLA. I think it’s easier to transfer than get in as a freshman since it shows you are a good student not just test scores. Both of us graduated with UCLA diplomas though I think I owed 10K more in loans.
I really wish I had done that. My wife did it and she paid off her school debt years before I did.
There’s no way Howard is that cheap
It’s $54k per academic year… that’s $216k for a bachelors degree.
Pfffffft fuuuuuuuuuck that. In this market?! You better have at least three 100K+ job offers lined the hell up post grad as a written in piece of the admission contract.
Howard is surprisingly expensive. Not that it’s a bad school by any means but just surprising. I may be mistaken (probably shouldn’t be lazy) but it’s closer to 50k-60k range.
Check the Thurgood Marshall College Fund, they have scholarships specifically for HBCU students.
Harvard also makes it tuition free to students making under something like 70k.
Stanford too these days. Though it obviously isn’t easy to get accepted.
Harvard has an online tool that will tell you how much you’ll have to pay. It’s based on family income.
>gone to a HBCU, but they are fucking expensive
Correction here, HBCUs are not expensive (generally speaking). ***PRIVATE*** HBCUs are expensive. You're seeing high costs because you're looking at ones like Howard, Hampton, Spelman, and Morehouse. Public ones like Morgan State are no where near as expensive
I just wish I had her fuckin hair!....fuck, that shit is gorgeous!
Excuse the French
I had the same experience with Howard. I go to NCAT and I love it so much and the prices are better than most universities
honest question as a white hs junior, is it acceptable for a white person to go to an hcbu
It’s always been acceptable.HBCU were never “ Black only” schools.
Yes. In addition, you may qualify for minority scholarships.
My girls-best friend’s brother went to Morehouse because it’s got a great medical program and he was able to get a minority scholarship as a white person.
I don’t see a reason why not.
I have recently seen ads aimed at high schools with high white populations to get them to consider HBCUs. They had that white guy that was recently valedictorian of Morehouse telling about his experiences. He said he wanted to experience living as a minority at a college and to listen to Black voices. He was a Rhodes Scholar and turned down a full scholarship to Columbia to go to Morehouse. I wondered if other people at the college would be offended and considered him to be taking a person of color’s space or something but he said his classmates were supportive of him. So yes, you are welcome at HBCUs.
I live in the DC area and there are a ton of non black students at Howard. Nobody will stop you from going to an HBCU.
I think it’s acceptable but the answer is more nuanced than that. An HBCU is a safe space for black people. You would be welcome there, and you would also be welcome at most other universities. Why take someone’s spot at an HBCU that may not feel as welcomed at another kind of university.
Sis said 1st Doctorate....yall think she pulling up for 3?
She trying to collect them all like Pokémon
It certainly isn't going to make you any wealthier.
A lot of Hopkins advanced degrees pay you fairly well in Hopkins labs while you’re getting your degree with a lot of people staying on after graduation
Honestly, it seems like it wouldn’t really be a good use of time, money, or energy to do multiple doctorate-level degree programs. In a broad sense, doing a doctorate is not so much about specializing into a field as it is about learning in general how to do serious academic research. It can be applied across lots of similar fields with a few modifications in implementation. Maybe you search Journal of Blobtology instead of Journal of Blooptography. A few new machines to get the hang of. Some standard techniques to learn.
But the point is you know how to figure all that out after the first PhD. Plus, who the hell would willingly subject themselves to the stress of a second dissertation? Masochists, that’s who.
As a person with a doctorate, I agree. Might be worth it if the fields were totally different (e.g., neuroscience vs. sociology), but you could learn (assuming you have the time, which you probably do if you want multiple doctorates) the theory needed to conduct research in another field once you have a strong foundation in research methods and data analysis. For instance, I have a social science PhD and recently went through IVF with my spouse. I read/understood IVF-based research studies, of which I have no general knowledge. Your comment is underrated.
Associates, bachelors, masters I hope
What's an hbcu
Historically black colleges and universities.
Some of us just went to crappy schools and didn't have that teacher who believed in us.
I was really into my education until high school. I had difficulties socially and at home which made it harder for me to keep my grades up
I literally had 0 teachers encourage me to do anything about grades, college, or PSATs to the point where I had no idea when the SATs were or how to take them. Got left in the dust.
Took some time to grow up and gain self discipline but here I am with my Masters and starting my new job.
We gotta encourage these kids
I also want to point out that you could be among the top on high school (me) and bomb when you get to college.
I had no study skills, I just always did good in school because I knew what to do to increase my GPA (take AP in English and history, remedial math, regular science, take AP courses online as electives), I just skated through
And college actually required work and it was a rude awakening. I couldn’t just go to class and absorb the information and be on my merry way.
I’m always giving advice to the younger ones because it was just a huge shock to my system that took 8 years to recover from...
I’m also a teacher :)
Couldn't she have gone to a community college?
She probably did
I believe every child is smart in their own way. HBCU knew that certain public schools in “urban” areas with a high POC demographic, never get fund, school to prison pipeline, and letting kids slip through the cracks.
Colleges like these actually give people a second chance. Same can be said about community college, yet cc never push their students to graduate.
Ah yes the college around the corner, BLACK EXCELLENCE!!🧐
My top 2 choices were HBCU's. I regret not going every time I think about it. Get it baby girl
I went as a non traditional student and still the best decision I’ve ever made
That is freaking wonderful.
This makes me wonder how common it is for black students to improve once they're in a more welcoming environment like an HBCU. I'm sure there's data available on it but I've never even considered it before.
I wish I could go to college but I feel like like living in Mississippi kills any chance of out of state college.
Why no do CC or a state school. School doesn’t matter as long as your major is good.
Mississippi is a get out as fast as you can state. You would like have to live here to understand.
It is but paying out of state rate and getting even more debt is not worth it. Get your degree and then move out of state.
Maybe work on getting out of there and move to the state where you want to go to college
You don’t have to start college at 18. Think about what you want to do and the training/education you need for it FIRST.
I agree. It'll probably take a couple of years to establish residency in a different state, so she could work and save up some money during that time. Even check out some MOOC to see what she might be interested in studying.
AmeriCorps gives stipends, right?
Jackson state is a possibility
Damn!!! You go!
Hell yes! You go girl!
I was about to go to Morgan State because my GPA was similarly terrible. However, my SAT score was high and Towson University—a predominantly white university 4 miles away from Morgan—happened to be trying an experimental program and I felt an obligation to attend TU since the right to do so was hard-fought.
The program was a mix of people with high GPAs and low SATs and people with high SATs and low GPAs. You had to attend a study hall multiple evenings per week and maintain a GPA of 3.0. They eventually ended the program due to something like 80% of those students failing to meet the expectations or dropping out.
I was one of them. I got kicked out after treating freshmen year just like I treated high school, and then my mom begged in-person—tears and all—for them to let me back in. They did and that embarrassment was what it took for me to finally get it together.
Pro-tip: never get a zero. It's so easy to not get a zero on an assignment. Commit to halfway doing the homework and, when you reach the halfway point, decide if you want to continue or stop there. Either way, you'll be getting a MUCH better grade than if you had simply skipped the assignment entirely.
Even with failing some classes in freshmen year before I got my shit together, I graduated with a 3.3 GPA.
Good for you, girl
this is a fucking advertisement
Hell yeah! Get it!
Some people just need a shot
Congratulations, this is awesome
JSU grad and proud of it! S/O to all the HBCUs!
Money and logistics aside, her academic evolution is fucking amazing. That’s wassup.