JK Rowling is a loser
By - TraitorIord
Twitter is dogshit for mental health. The sooner you can get off, the better. Like, I can't tell you the last time I've seen any bit of Rowling's braindead takes, or any other pseudo celebrity for that matter.
Twitter is dogshit full stop. I deleted mine a while ago and I recently deleted my Facebook. I was tired of letting people online (ones I know and ones I don’t) make me incredibly angry all day every day. Maybe I’m losing some social capital but I was tired of feeding the monster and letting the platforms sell me ads as they outrage me. I am not even sure I miss the memes. I’m just tired of hot takes and i realized I actually don’t think I care what anyone has to say, or at least certainly not that often on their own channel.
Honestly. I have Facebook just because so many of my friends use the messenger, but I don't touch the website. I'm very much in your camp where it's just infuriating, and I don't have it in me to be that upset all the time. I feel bad that I'm kind of burying my head in the sand, but especially with how turbulent the last couple years have been, the amount of info and negativity being fed to me on social media had me genuinely wanting to die. I can't live like that.
You have to double check but you might be able to still continue using messenger actually. That’s the only reason I kept my Instagram actually, to talk to friends! I actually just now tried to go on Fb market place so I guess I didn’t think it through entirely. I was just so exhausted of also feeling like I wanted to die all the time. I really am not sure it’s even considered sticking your head in the sand to ignore the online outrage that happens all the time. It feels like so much of it is just misinformation and propaganda. I am not sure really what are good outlets for “what’s going on in ___ today” but I really don’t think infographics and memes are going to make any systemic change for anyone anywhere. I have been practicing trying to be ok with the unknown recently. I still just wanna smash honestly.
Facebook parses your conversations in messenger, aggressively profiles you your friends & family, then makes profit selling backend access to you & your data to anyone who pays: foreign agents, trolls, politicians, corporations. You are then targeted and manipulated based on your conversations.
You need to just use normal text. Text has no profiling, profiting, or invasive tracking.
>You need to just use normal text.
I've tried, but the group chats come in messenger anyways. It's either don't interact with my friends and family often, or use fb messenger. So I'm using messenger, regardless of what I "need" to do
You can disable the messenger app and the Facebook app and then be free forever. They can't be uninstalled from some android OS phones, but disable is always an option. Default texting will take over after the disable.
I'm just gonna end up excluded from group chats that already exist in messenger though. I can't expect all of my friends and family to switch to an objectively more bland service just because I do.
I get what you're saying, it's just not gonna happen for me.
Bland? Lol. It's texts and pictures and gifs and emojis and sound clips and....etc. With no spying & no profit for Zuckerberg. What would you be losing?
What's so awesome about Facebook Messenger that you can't even try to give it up?
Are you saying your friends won't listen to you to leave to a cleaner and safer app?
Is everyone I talk to not an interesting enough reason for you? Lmao
I've tried texts, formatting between iphones and androids still aren't always the smoothest and friends didn't like it, so chats ended up staying in messenger. My friend and I are trying to get people to use discord, and they won't. It is what it is.
I have friends and family try to send me Facebook junk and I just politely say "I don't use Facebook. They profit from spying. They don't try to stop misinformation, hate, and propaganda. Text it to me." If they care about me, it's not that difficult.
I really don't want much to do with people who don't get it. I don't want to support the biggest propaganda and misinformation machine since the Nazis. It's important. It matters.
Here's a poem that motivated me to stop looking at Twitter:
“I suspect deep down / I don’t care if I die / how else could I / be wasting so much time / on that sweet fluorescent smiling brain rot / stupid and dry-eye poison”
Facebook and Twitter are both known to be bad for you mentally. What do you think makes them different from other places, like, say, Reddit?
I’m so mad with her for ruining Harry Potter for me.
She’s a literal billionaire, could do anything with her life, yet sits on Twitter attacking a group of people she’s probably never even met. She’s pathetic.
And as a cis woman I get so fucking tired of her and all these TERFs acting like they’re speaking for me and protecting me from the big bad trans people. They’re the worst kind of gate keeping feminists.
Probably gonna get downvoted to filth for this one given how much this community focuses on empathy and deradicalisation but... Honestly, at this point I think we should just ignore her. I'm so exhausted with this shit I kind of feel like... we should just let her get love bombed by hardcore TERFs and become the excitable *gender critical* fringe weirdo she was always meant to be as she fades into irrelevance. Let her be the next Germaine Greer for all I care. Nobody reads her shit wish fulfillment detective books anyway, she only gets column inches for her tweets these days.
Surely there comes a point where you've done all the pleading, educating and empathising you can do and you just have to write people off. She's not gonna have a come to jesus moment on this one. So with people like her, where her power comes from having a big social media dick to swing about and loadsa money, the only thing we as jimmynonames can do is just stop giving her tweets oxygen. Get politically involved with your representatives if you've got the energy to teach them a thing or two but don't break your back over some literary one hit wonder.
Don't send people death threats full stop FUCKING OBVIOUSLY but this pipe bomb shit is so counter intuitive I almost want to believe it came from a troll who actually shares her views.
I know what you mean. Don’t give them the gratification of attention.
Empathy is hard haha, that’s why Contra is so good - she knows how to tow the line.
I don’t give her any attention. I’m just sick of being CONSTANTLY reminded of her existence. It’s like, every other week we get new jk Rowling mess and Twitter discourse. It just bothered me waking up today and seeing my mutuals having to debunk terf bs on the timeline once again. It takes so much for us to engage with rhetoric that is actively trying to hurt us, and it just feels like we have to do it literally all the time
It might be time to get off twitter my friend. If it helps, I'm not on twitter (also not cis so I do have a dog in this fight in case that's important) and the only place I ever hear about jkr and her bullshit is on occasionally on reddit where the discourse (sub depending, obviously) tends to be much less intense.
You sound like you're exhausted with it all. And I get it, you feel like you need to fight for your rights and for people to respect your humanity... but I feel like you're defending yourself to people who have zero interest in actually giving thoughtful consideration to your words. There's a great video by Innuendo Studios called "The Alt Right Playbook: Never Play Defense" you might find interesting on this!
I only check in on twitter every now and then to see if there's updates on stuff I follow like certain shows or creators. I do it by going directly to the account page from Google and I don't have an account because straying even a *tiny* bit from the beaten path is walking straight into a portal to hell where the jackals just want you to be in pain. For real though, I recommend everyone to get off twitter and never play (defense).
you are right 100%. ive watched that video. in my head its like if i dont do it and if everyone had that mentality then that sort of shit would go unchallenged and become more predominant and pervasive. i do like spending a lot of time on genshin and danganronpa twitter tho :cry:
You could also argue is that it if went unchallenged she would just be screaming into the void. Arguing with her and her crew legitimizes the idea that there are 2 sides to take.
its not just about me tho. her rhetoric as of late is very harmful and is being cited by conservative politicians trying to legislate against trans people. id be easier to ignore if it didnt have actual real world implications for me and a lot of other people like me. her fake nonsense used to be performative activism, now its outright malicious. i didnt mean for this to come across as self absorbed, as its really not about just me
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holy shit lmao who shat in your cereal
> Nobody reads her shit wish fulfillment detective books anyway,
Yeah, about that, you made me curious and according to Wikipedia:
> Troubled Blood sold 64,633 copies in its first week and was the top selling book in the UK. This was the biggest single week of sales for any Galbraith title and almost double the launch-week volume of the previous Strike Lethal White.
Given everyone knew it was JKR writing that book and her previous published novels have sold over a million copies in a single day I'd still say that's a huge step down in interest. For anybody else this would be great sales but for a person of her standing, pulling less than 0.1% of her own country in audience isn't great. And British people love detective stories. Sherlock, Poirot, we love that shit so yeah I'm sticking with basically nobody has read them.
Also not to get too tin foil hat here, but purchasing and reading are not the same thing. On an individual level, Vanessa clearly never read it and it's a very common tactic amongst right wing people to bulk buy books which espouse like minded views I order to bump them up the best seller list and give them more clout.
I'm not saying that happened here, I'm just saying there was *discourse* about this book which fueled some pretty nasty political rhetoric.
Listen, I'm in the UK where her bullshit is way more normalised and she at one point was a bit of a national treasure. I don't know anybody that *hasn't* read Harry Potter. I don't know anybody who *has* read her detective stuff.
Fair enough then.
Yes. Don't bother. She's preaching to people who already agree with her.
I lowkey tried to defend her for soooo long. I feel dumb because I assumed she was being misunderstood or something.... but then it just, kept happening; and got worse.
Same here, but it became near impossible after that essay she wrote.
Not just because she penned my stupid nostalgia, but because I always try to approach the other side with empathy.
It just finally felt pointless giving someone something they clearly can not give others.
Oh, it's worse than that. She dropped her little manifesto about a month before her last book came out, and then went silent a couple weeks after it came out. You see, her mysteries don't have the same cultural impact or sales of Harry Potter, so it's obvious she did a little publicity stunt.
If she's trending right now by her own words or actions, assume a book announcement is about to drop.
Oh, so you think she’s pulling a lana del Rey and stirring shit to promote her new releases? That makes a lot of sense tbh lol
Yeah, that's what got me about the whole thing - she had a book coming out, and all of a sudden, she's on the rampage, doubling down and doubling down and doubling down... Until about two weeks after the book comes out, and then she goes completely silent.
And to add to the curious nature of it - the first two weeks of a media release of any kind is usually the key period any kind of press is essential to boosting sales.
I feel like I've had it with JK Rowling. I wish she'd just take all her money and go live in a castle somewhere where all the "scary trans people" wouldn't get her. She's trending again on twitter and it's just making me mad. Fuck Harry Potter. I'm completely over it. I haven't had a single positive thought about it since she started clutching her pearls all over the place at the top of her voice and I don't care about it anymore. Decades from now she'll be gone same as lots of us, and there will still be trans people of all ages proudly existing in spite of her and all her fellow terfs and there's nothing she can do about it.
The only positive thoughts are about the actors that dissociated themselves from her and her views
I hope someday she has the horrifying realisation that the wonderful and beautiful world she charmed me with, and that helped me cope through a difficult time in my life is something I deeply hate now simply because of her. A lot of people who used to like HP now feel that way.
She ruined it. Utterly and completely. Simply because she's too rich and popular to be bothered to have basic fucking human empathy. Too incapable to work on her trauma and instead blaming other people for how SHE FEELS due to something she can't be fucked to sort out.
She is garbage. Point blank period. My empathy ends when you decide that minorities are responsible for your own feelings.
I honestly the money and success and the idleness that comes with both are the issue. When you have more money than you can spend on yourself and your loved ones yu start looking for things to do with it. When a lot of your income is passive and you have a bunch of free time you start looking for things to do with that too. Some people buy sports teams. Some start new companies outside their field (and often fail at them). Jeff Bezos wants to colonize the solar system. Many liberals adopt a pet social cause to poor time and money into.
Rowling, for whatever fucking reason, has decided her pet cause is going to be the alleged threat of transgender activists manipulating children. I really wish she'd go save the whales or something instead, but nope, for whatever reason it's us.
and as Nathalie pointed out in her video on the subject it's a bit of self reinforcing cycle at this point. Like she voices a shitty opinion. She gets attacked by us and praised by our enemies. So she doubles down on siding with our enemies and thinking we're evil. And the more this aspect of social media life comes to dominate her feed and the discourse around her the more important it becomes to her to win. Repeat until one becomes a full time online TERF activist.
As someone who doesn't have twitter, I can't even believe people are still talking about this. Just totally breathing life into it instead of letting JK slowly fade into obscurity like she's destined to do. There isn't anything going on more important than arguing that JK Rowling is a TERF hag?
She's a terf, she does terf stuff.
Also her work isn't that original or progressive and is FULL of plotholes...
Nearly everyone involved in the movies has said trans right by now, I'm more disappointed stephen fry seems to still be involved with her stuff.
Engaging with Twitter is literally one of the worst personal decisions someone can make
Twitter is literally just a place to be angry
Honestly TERFs aren't really feminists or even left leaning they are a reactionary movement that has co opted progressive language so they can cloak themselves as some kind of hyper woke dipshit. Every actual feminist I have met supports trans rights. TERFs will always side with the right if it means fucking over trans people. Even if it fucks them over so long as trans people get it worse they are fine with it.
A rigidly defined, rigidly enforced sex binary is a flat-out lie the patriarchy tells to sustain itself. It promotes the idea that sex is genuinely no more complicated than a lightswitch, it pushes the idea that intersex children should have surgery forced on them, and most of all...
It seeds the idea that strict sex segregation is necessary. That men and women must be segregated, separated and socialized apart from birth, and told there's no acceptable interaction between male and female...until puberty, when they're told that, well, there is one kind of interaction - sex. But by that time, the damage is already done, boys and girls don't see each other as people, as individuals, just some nebulous, mythical concept of 'the opposite sex'.
And faster than you can say 'rape culture', the system is preserved for another generation.
As someone who's never read Harry Potter, all this drama is just mystifying. Like, the only reason anyone pays any attention to this Karen is because she wrote some kiddie books a bunch of adults are obsessed with.
I'm not a huge fan of Harry Potter. But for lots of people, it felt like an accepting space where wierd nerdy kids could be heroes. And JK was an outspoken liberal, in a kinda 1990s way, so a lot of lefty / LGBTQ folks found the series really connected with them. So it's not just that she wrote some sucessfull kiddie book, it's that those books spoke specifically to exactly the type of people she's now excluding.
She is extraordinarily famous for an author. Most authors don’t have the social media following that she does.
I’m all for tearing her down but don’t shame people for liking a thing they grew up with.
She's not even a particularly talented writer. I enjoyed reading Harry Potter as a kid but the prose is pretty mediocre; there are far better written children's books. Her sense of superiority is totally unearned.
I’m glad you brought up the whiteness of TERF shit. TERFs are second wave feminists who have decided that the world can be infallibly interpreted along second wave lines, and have incorporated that into their identity.
To give a frame of reference for the second wave, first wave feminism was women’s suffrage. The second wave first introduced the idea of destroying the patriarchy...for white middle and upper class women. It was groundbreaking in its time, but the major downfall was and still is its black and white (no pun intended) understanding of gender. You have books from that era like ‘The Second Sex’, where Simone Beauvoir gives some great new ideas and then immediately goes on to describe how morning sickness is actually caused by the woman’s patriarchy-related disgust at being a mother, based on awful pseudoscience from male scientists of the time. With that kind of context, you can see how the transphobia started.
Anyway, in short: second wave feminism was built around wealthy white women, and modern TERF groups, which rely heavily on the same principles of the vagina as a weird global united social class, are also built around wealthy white women.
This account of the second wave is only partly true. There's a danger that by reducing several decades of feminists to wealthy white women, we make it worse by even further marginalizing the women who were marginalized at the time.
So there were many women of color who were leaders in the second wave movement. Dorothy Pitman-Hughes, for example, who you may recognize from the famous picture of her and Gloria Steinem holding up their fists. She focused on the oppression of poor mothers. Or Shirley Chisolm - the first black woman to win election to Congress and the first black woman to run in a major party's presidential primary. Many white women involved in the second wave were strong supporters of the civil rights movement, and (imperfectly) did work to fight racism in the feminist movement. Just on those two examples - Steinem toured with Pitman-Hughes for several years and refused engagements unless they were given equal time on stage. And Betty Freidan and the National Organization of Women supported Chisolm candidacy. (I could talk about diversity across economic class too, but this is long enough).
Just to be clear, it is certainly true that wealthy white women had too much power and too many leadership positions in the second wave, and racism was definitely a huge problem. I'm not saying your description is wrong. I'm just saying that's not the whole story, and in making that criticism we shouldn't forget all the important work that was done by women of color in the second wave.
I also think there's much more to second wave ideas on gender. Again, there certainly were plenty of second wave feminists who were heavily focused on vulvas / uteruses as defining "woman". But even among them, they challenged the necessary connection between sex and gender, insisting women could dress how they wanted, not wear make up, etc, and also arguing for the rights of men to embrace traditionally feminine presentations, roles and emotions. There were also a minority of second wave feminists who rejected the concept of sex difference altogether, arguing that a utopian society would completely free everyone to express gender however they pleased regardless of their biology - Shulamith Firestone for example.
And while sadly some second wave feminists responded to the trans rights movement by becomming terfs, there were plenty who didn't. Gloria Steinem and Margaret Atwood, for example. Several prominant second wave feminist cis women signed the September 2020 letters repudiating Rowling's position.
Yeah as a massive Harry Potter fan, I can’t wait until she dies. I don’t mean that in a threatening way but like, lots of great books were written by terrible people, but at least HP Lovecraft isn’t here tweeting. I feel like I could go back to enjoying Harry Potter once she eventually passes away.
I don't let her being alive stop me. As far as I'm concerned, she did good for the world by writing Harry Potter and I'm grateful to her for that, but she's outlived her usefulness and I'm going to keep my childhood while pretending that the woman herself doesn't exist.
God I hate that woman, to think I used to love her. Her tweets make me sick and make me hate the Harry Potter series. I am so relieved I didn't get that snitch tattooed as a teen.
Wait what happened this time? The only thing that I could pick up from browsing the internet was some sort of bomb threat? There's also a bunch of posts about it on the right-wing and transphobe subs but I'd rather not go there
I agree that jk and terfs suck, but what does this have to do with being white?
I say this as a person who is white and cis who considers herself to be a feminist. The first two major waves of feminism really only addressed the needs of white cis women of a certain social status. In the third wave, there’s been a push for much more inclusivity, but you have people like Rowling who seem to be stuck in second-wave and are really defensive about it.
As someone who supports feminism, it’s a completely embarrassing and enraging to watch a bunch of so-called feminists gaslight and twist the agenda, their tactics and ideas resembling the alt-right more than anything else. An intolerant feminism that doesn’t push for the rights of the most traditionally persecuted among us isn’t feminism at all. It’s just propping up yourself and those just like you (not you specifically, obviously, ranting about the terfs here).
Just to assert for OP, from this white, cis middle-aged feminist: trans women are women, full-stop. There’s no excuse for Rowling, or the dinosaur-minded fools around her, to deny your identity or existence. They’ve put it all on record, and history will hold the receipts.
OP probably should have said 2nd wave feminism then. I was a bit confused initially.
White feminism is a widely understood term. I don't blame you for not knowing it, but OP didn't word things badly.
The current wave of feminism was headed up mostly by POC feminist thinkers, which is why second wave is very commonly referred to as white feminism. Being confused and out of the know is fine, but don't frame it as if OP said something wrong. They used appropriate wording.
yeah my bad. In a lot of my 'circles' we use the phrase white feminism interchangeably with that idea. I wouldnt say its a purely american thing. Im black and most of my friends are black and asian and this is the way we talk about this sort of stuff.
Also to avoid further confusion, the phrase ‘Misogynoir’ basically means sexism as it pertains to black women specifically. An example would be like ‘Oh the Misogynoir in the music industry failed Nicki minaj!’
Maybe it’s because I’m American, but I understood what you meant immediately. No worries from me.
Americans use "white feminism" to refer to what people in other countries might call upper middle class feminism
I do try, sometimes it’s hard to when she’s trending every other day on Twitter and there’s people on the timeline having jk Rowling discourse for the 283937483th time
Twitter shows you whatever it thinks you'll engage with most. If it makes you upset and you come back to read more about it later because you still can't get it out of your head, Twitter is laughing at you. If you read a hundred tweets by people you're following to work out what JKR actually did, Twitter is laughing at you. If you start arguing with transphobes and get increasingly mentally ill from doing so, Twitter is laughing at you.
You said "It feels like every other week at this point on UK twitter we get new JK Rowling discourse and have to be subjected..." I'm from the UK, not on Twitter and I haven't heard about JKR in three or four months. You're making a choice based on what social media you're on, who you follow and what personal information you're giving away to Jack Dorsey. Maybe that choice is worth it to you (e.g. if you can't find any non-Twitter community that accepts you, though I think that's unlikely to be true) but I don't think this is really about JKR. You must experience this with other topics too. The root cause is social media's profit incentive to make people ill with addiction, anger and upset.
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Only thing I see that she's in the news for is that pipebomb and other threats she has received. Has she said anything else recently?
Please don't respond to the trolls, just report them. Thanks
I'm having trouble following you here. But it seems you are saying that trans folks don't have a right to be upset by Rowlings terffery because we supported her before she was an out terf? That demands people have to be able to predict the future. And there's plenty of feminist cis white women who aren't terfy, it's not an inevitable consequence of being a cis white woman. Gloria Steinem, for example. Or Margaret Atwood, if you want an author.
Also, mra's aren't any sort of friends to trans folks, you're ridiculous and men's rights is nothing.
I mean chile… the lgbtq has never supported or been huge fans of jk Rowling LMFAO like hasn’t the internet spent the last 5 years dunking on her for her performative activism?
And MRA’s don’t care about anything except shutting down discussions centred around feminism. They don’t care lol. We’ve been saying this stuff about white feminism and MRA’s take those valid talking points and use it to be contrarians. We’ve been saying this stuff for CENTURIES. When a lot of early feminism threw black women under the bus and isn’t at all invested in undoing a lot of racist institutions that continue to perpetuate misogynoir. A lot of MRA’s are right wing so you know they don’t care about liberating men from oppressive gender roles
You're on the Contrapoints sub; maybe watch the video Natalie made about it?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us
you really put jk rowling in the search bar, actively sought out posts criticising her, just to call us obsessed weirdos
i just... PLS
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Thank goodness you don't consider yourself a part of our community lmao we don't want you.