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Its not ideal, but I have way more fun with HOTAS (review)

Its not ideal, but I have way more fun with HOTAS (review)

burito23

I'm on HoTaM - Hands on Throttle and Mouse :D


-Kite-Man-

Throttle and mouse man. Trust me, try it. Best of both worlds. I own a pretty swanky HOTAS I love for flight sims and MW4 etc, but for MWO/5, this is a clear winner.


DesiArcy

Yeah, throttle and mouse is definitely the most effective setup I've yet tried.


IH8DwnvoteComplainrs

How do you turn the mech with that setup?


Blue2501

If it's a TWCS Throttle, you've got a rudder-rocker and an analog mini-stick to choose from


RandomGamer

I use HOSAS with two [VKB Gladiators](https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gladiator-nxt) and its awesome. Find myself wishing for a bit more "simulator" and less "first person shooter", as a lot of the buttons are unused. Just having more sensor modes and things to manage would be nice. But I keep up just fine with damage and kills with my lance mates who use keyboard + mouse.


gerkessin

I envy you so much. That setup would be amazing. But i cant quite justify spending $300 on 2 sticks right now unfortunately. One day


RandomGamer

Yeah, I can understand that. I caught it on sale during Black Friday. It's great for Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen and other space sims too.


theveryslyfox

If you don't mind my asking, what's the general function of each stick?


RandomGamer

The left stick controls throttle (forward and backwards) and pivots the mech left and right (what used to be called "tank controls" in the 90s). The right stick controls the torso. My left pink button centers the legs to the torso and the right pinky button centers the torso over the legs. Right trigger is weapon group 1, Left trigger is weapon group 2, right pickle button is 3, left is 4, and 5/6 are on an index button on the side of the controller. Left hand HAT controls targeting, right hand HAT controls weapon group (rarely used in mission). I've got zoom on the left thumb button... Like I said, about 50% of the joysticks are unused.


theveryslyfox

Great. Thinking of trying this. I had a joystick for MW2 and would like a more Sim feeling. Did you find setting it up to be difficult? Those sticks look to have small bases. Are they stable without being screwed in? Thanks for the details, btw. Much appreciated.


RandomGamer

The joysticks are modular, so there is some initial setup when you get them. Nothing complex and [here's a youtube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9-nfl5hL3s) walking you through it. Since they are modular, you have [a lot of different options for the stick](https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product_cat=vkb-stand-alone-grips). After the initial setup, they're just USB plug and play. MW5 had no problem recognizing them and I just went to the settings and bound the buttons through the interface. The bases are small but are very weighty and have nonslip rubber bases. The base plate is actually stainless steel. I have played a lot with them just sitting on my glass desk and never had a problem with them. Mounting is more out of comfort than usability. VKB is trying to work on a modular throttle too but has been delayed due to COVID


Blue2501

>Those sticks look to have small bases. Are they stable without being screwed in? Protip if you ever do get a HOTAS and it slides or tips on you: put some little balls of blue-tack on the bottom and squish them down onto your desk. My thrustmaster fcs will tip if I start throwing it around but with some tack on it, it stays put really well on my desk and it doesn't mar mu desk if I reposition or put it away


the_chistu

The budget version of this is 2x Thrustmaster T.16000Ms. I've used this setup for Elite: Dangerous in VR and it's slick. Currently using HOTAM, but I've been thinking about trying HOSAS and HOTAS both to see how they feel.


etra_kurdaj

I had a joystick for MW4 and hated it; I found it terribly imprecise compared to the mouse and after a while it made my wrist hurt in a way traditional PC gaming doesn't. Is there a joystick you'd recommend? Maybe I wasn't using a good one.


gerkessin

Well what kind of joystick do you have? Like I said, I have a Thrustmaster Hotas 4, which was made for PS4. Its probably one of the worst ones you can buy new nowdays. And I'm still having a blast. But to be clear, if you're looking for precision or ease of use, HOTAS is not the way to go. I use HOTAS for immersion. Hell, if you look around the cockpit, that's how your in-game pilot is controlling the mech. Canonically there is also a neurohelmet that handles balance I guess . . .


etra_kurdaj

It was a $40 logitech piece of shit from *Circuit City* that I bought when I picked up MW4.


RandomGamer

As someone who plays DCS and other games that are joystick heavy, it's important where you mount/place your joystick. Make sure your wrist isn't cocked at an angle and ideally, if you can, mount it to your chair or get something where your arm is in a resting position. Check out /r/hotas Thrustmaster and Logitech both make cheap entry joysticks, VKB and Virpil are the next step up. HOTAS systems can get pretty pricey, as they aim to be more simulator and less gaming devices.


More_Cow

You know that the steel battalion controller (and all xbox controllers.) is usb right? People have spliced out the controller connector And used it on pc.


gerkessin

I have heard that actually. And I've thought about rigging it but I don't want cut into that cable when I can eventually sell that controller for a few hundred bucks. Hell, I might just sell it now and buy a better HOTAS. That controller was neat at the time but its clearly just cheap plastic and all the buttons and toggle switches are extremely specific to that game


Pizzoots

It also wouldn’t be ideal because the right stick doesn’t recenter


Blue2501

Maybe an adapter like [this one](https://www.amazon.com/Mcbazel-Replacement-Xbox-Controller-Adapter-Microsoft/dp/B000RT2868) would work