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X Vs Zero Vs Axl, Who Wins

X Vs Zero Vs Axl, Who Wins

AlexHidan

Alia wins


Quick-Somewhere-6474

Ah yes best girl


NoProblemsHere

She interrupts them mid-fight and distracts them until a stage hazard comes along and kills them.


DaveSW777

Canonically, X. Also, his name is just X. That was a bad translation in X1.


LeFakerFlash

Everyone knew him as X, he’s still MegaMan X despite that. It just happened that MegaMan was lost to time, but X is by all means his successor. His next-generation counterpart.


DaveSW777

Not true. I asked Inafune himself.


LeFakerFlash

Look, this is one of those things I'd have to get clear proof of to believe. To me this is like being told "My dad works at Capcom".


DaveSW777

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1n57hs/hi_im_game_creator_keiji_inafune_onimusha_dead/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


LeFakerFlash

Well, I'll be damned. I'll still argue against it though. He's called X, that's clear... but I still don't believe "Mega Man X" is a mistranslation unless the full name was used outside of X's technical specifics which were shown in the opening.


DaveSW777

Calling him Mega Man X is akin to saying Zero's full name is Mega Man Zero.


LeFakerFlash

The difference between Zero and X in that regard is that... X was always meant to be MegaMan's direct successor. Zero was always Zero, built to be an OPPONENT to MegaMan and X.


DaveSW777

Zero was actually always intended to be Mega Man's successor. He was designed first. X was created as a response to Zero being too radical of a departure from Mega Man.


LeFakerFlash

Design-wise, yes, Zero was supposed to be MegaMan's successor. As a character in the finalized timeline... No. Zero is a completely different character and X as we know him took Zero's spot.


NomadBloxZone

Wait, is that the same for Rockman? Like, Rockman X?


LeFakerFlash

Rockman is just the Japanese equivalent of MegaMan, by all means. So... yeah, I'd think so.


Bornheck

Even in the PSP remake he’s called “Mega Man X” by Dr. Light. I don’t think it’s a mistranslation.


Rift-348

Will x have armors? Will they have their special weapons? Can zero have access to black zero?


Quick-Somewhere-6474

Were talking all 3 in their Default Forms


Rift-348

Zero beats all of them, he’s more skilled and he’s more used to fighting ranged opponents so he most likely knows how to counter x and axl’s style of combat


Quick-Somewhere-6474

I already knew zero beats both, i just wanna see people try to make a Valid Point on how X or Axl could win


Mrwanagethigh

Zero was designed as the ultimate weapon for pure destructive purposes, X was designed to be adaptive. X has plenty of destructive potential in his own right and Zero can adapt as well but not on the same level as X can. Comparing them in default states is kind of a mismatch considering Zero's original buster is equal to the Light Armor's buster and it's part of X1's story that X at default is not as powerful as Zero. However base and black armor Zero has nothing on X at his peak, which Zero himself is well aware of. Hadouken, Shoryuken, Ultimate Armor infinite special weapons, reduced damage and infinite Nova Strike are so overpowered that comparing Zero without his Awakened state to Ultimate Armor X is just as unfair as comparing base X to base Zero. Comparing base X to Zero is taking away X's defining trait while leaving Zero with his. There's also the fact that in Maverick Hunter X's Day of Sigma, pissed off base X was a bigger threat to Sigma than Zero was. His potential was what both Vile and Sigma were obsessed with, not Zero's. Sigma literally started his insurrection to see how far X's potential could go when he was pushed past his soft nature, as proof of how far Reploids had the potential to evolve. A decision he made with only knowledge of base B Rank X while Zero was already A Rank.


BoobeamTrap

That could just be Sigma working with the information he had at the time. As early as X2, Sigma becomes obsessed with Zero, presumably because Serges is Wily and tells him what he's truly capable of. I agree though that Ultimate Armor X needs to be compared to Awakened Zero. But, if we're comparing them in a fight keep in mind: Zero in a presumably weaker copy body was able to defeat what was functionally Super Awakened Zero in the form of Omega. Omega had Zero's original body, with it's full potential unlocked AND the power of the Dark Elf. And Zero still won. We never get to see Zero Series X in his prime, but it's stated it took him and Zero to defeat and seal away Omega in the past, and that's presumably the same Omega that Zero solos at the end of Zero 3. X is probably more powerful. Especially if we consider like the implications of their names (X is a variable, Zero is a constant), we see time and time again that while X grows more powerful, Zero becomes more skilled and can continue to swing in X's weight class, even without his original body.


fallensoldier420

Zero if we’re going raw power/skills. X if we add in all the armors.


Quick-Somewhere-6474

Ngl Even with the ultimate armor, I think Black Zero is superior even in if its just a Power up that raises attacks and Lowers defense


fallensoldier420

Based on X5, the two are are a draw when X unleashes his full power and Zero unleashed his. Then we see the copy X (which Zero admits is much weaker than X) get utterly destroyed by Zero in a weaker state. Unfortunately for Axl, I don’t think he has a chance in this fight, X and Zero just eclipse him.


LeFakerFlash

Axl had very little time to evolve and he *might have been* killed or corrupted at the end of MMX8 considering how severe the impact caused to Zero was after having his forehead crystal shattered. It really sucks...


fallensoldier420

I’d love to see where that goes if they ever make X9. ZxA Model A is 100% Axl, I don’t care what the game says, it’s designed after him, fights like him, even sounds like him. So at the minimum he lost all memories and his CyberElf form was found much later by Master Albert, who then remade him. I’d like to think there’s more to Axl than a 2 game (3 if you count CM) stint, but then Iris had 2 games as well.


LeFakerFlash

And Iris had very minimal involvement in one of those 2 games, so... she had 1 game where she actually had real significance in the timeline.


fallensoldier420

I mean… X7 Axl really is just there for plot and an add on until you get X. Then X8 I think the only thing he’s good at is metal farming… so he really doesn’t do much more than Iris.


Quick-Somewhere-6474

True


Quick-Somewhere-6474

True


Quick-Somewhere-6474

And zero is just too op


kurayami_akira

X8 ultimate armor has a one-shot power that charges back in a very short time (only doesn't kill bosses with one hit due to the damage limit for the 2nd phase), but X8 is a deviation from the main timeline. And for AXL, AXL was the only one that was visibly damaged after the final X8 fight.


LeFakerFlash

It's hard for me to believe that MMX7 and MMX8 really are deviations from the main timeline because... Biometal Model A. And no, I refuse to believe it's actually supposed to be a clone of master Albert.


kurayami_akira

X7 is on the main timeline, but it's followed by Command Mission. X8 is an alternative continuation to X7


LeFakerFlash

Then how does Axl just... vanish long enough before the cyber elf wars to never be mentioned again if MMX8 is non-canon? If command mission is the canon continuation to X7, that means Zero, ZX, AND Legends are all non-canon.


kurayami_akira

X8 doesn't explain AXL's dissaparition either, that's something that has never been explained. Might've died to Omega in the elf wars for all we know. Zero, ZX and ZX Advent are after Command Mission (not directly after of course)


LeFakerFlash

Zero happens in the exact same century as Command Mission! They're not in the same timeline!


CptJRyno

X8 is unambiguously canon. Command Mission was thought to be non-canon for a long time because it takes place in 22XX. According to the Zero games, they also take place in 22XX, and they also state that the maverick wars ended a hundred years prior. Since Command Mission takes place during the maverick wars, it could not take place in the same continuity as Zero/ZX/Legends. However, promotional material for the Zero/ZX Legacy Collection might have retconned the Zero games to take place “hundreds of years” after the X series, leaving room for Command Mission /and/ the Elf Wars to exist in the same timeline. However, there was never any reason to believe X8 and Command Mission take place in different timelines.


fallensoldier420

The only thing one can guess from the ending of X8 that gives rise to Axl’s tie to model A (which I agree is most surely Axl not Albert) is how we have no clue as to what becomes of him after the shatter. My head canon is half of Axl’s DNA soul was torn from him during the shatter, leaving his CyberElf form to have no memory of who he was, and lost until Master Albert finds it, then uses that to create ModelA. That leaves things open for them to tell whatever they want if we get X9, and gives reasons why Model A has no clue who X and Z are, as well as to why he wasn’t seen or heard from in the Zero series.


RappyPhan

Model A is a homage, a reference, to Axl. That's really all it is. IntiCreates treats every X game after Mega Man X6 as non-canon.


LeFakerFlash

I’m almost sure Mega Man Zero 4 directly reference MMX6’s version of Eurasia’s fate, but digging through 2 hours of a full playthrough right now is too much work, I’m sorry.


RappyPhan

I did say *after* Mega Man X6. In other words, Mega Man X6 is canon to them. The game's events were even mentioned on the timeline that was published along with Mega Man Zero Collection's release.


Quick-Somewhere-6474

Were talking just basd forms


kurayami_akira

Should've specified. My bet is on Zero, assuming there's no powerups and upgrades. Zero has the upper hand over X for not needing leg parts to dash and airdash, and AXL is just not on their level.


LeFakerFlash

Nova Strike and falcon armor flight say nuts to that. Also, equip the Ultimate Buster to an armor set that can charge special weapons and see how the results change.


phantomaxwell

If only Axl could transform into either X or Zero.


LeFakerFlash

Wouldn't he have to kill them or knock them unconscious to do that, even with every special ability of each of these three taken into account? The one time Axl or the biometal based off of him scans a copy of his opponent without killing them, it's when Grey/ Ashe (Holder of Biometal A) ties with... or severely damages Aile/ Vent. (Holder of Biometal ZX, effectively a fusion of X and Zero)


SassySesi

Well, Model A could copy them with no problem, and pretty much everyone considers Model A to be Axl so I wouldn't rule out that he couldn't. His copy power definitely seems to evolve and get stronger over time...


RappyPhan

> pretty much everyone considers Model A to be Axl Not true. I, for one, don't, and IntiCreates certainly doesn't, either. Model A is a homage, a reference, nothing more. Of course the Axl fanboys will just downvote this and come up with theories as to why Axl was missing for so long and why he doesn't remember anything, which only reinforces my point.


AntonRX178

Depends on who I’m controlling


SnooTomatoes1384

Axl is to much of a good boi to lose


[deleted]

X if amors are allowed Zero win if ultimate Amor is banned and he can use his Vampire Amor. Axl can beat both if armors are banned and they use a Plattform from that you can fall of. He can turn invisible and just push them from the corner. That's how everybody have a little chance. In raw strength Zero > X > Axl


PKRadiance

X by a landslide


BreadbinTV

You said all of them in their base forms, that's Zero by a landslide no contest


AlexHidan

Well if Marvel VS Capcom Infinite can be used as reference, X without armor is pretty strong against Zero.


BreadbinTV

Talking canonically in the story of MegaMan X, Zero is way stronger than X and Axl at base form. Zero could take them 2v1 and I'm not even a Zero fanboy, I would love for X to take the dub but base form no armor no special weapons X stands no chance


KarenSusturucu

X has unlimited potential, you see. Even if zero managed to beat X, X would take Zero down with him. Not to mention Axl he has no chance of winning.


lil_lol

X. He canonically has limitless power, making him one of the strongest characters in games at his full potential.


ziarnhk

Is this the thread were people ignore how X vs Zero canonically ended up being a tie?


BoobeamTrap

In the best timeline aren’t they both knocked out but Zero always gets up first and manages to fight off Sigma, even though he’s injured?


ConfuciusBr0s

I don't think that's a good indicator. Zero even when he was just a torso and an arm was still fully conscious while X just straight up died when the same thing happened to him


BoobeamTrap

That could boil down to differences in their design. Their central power core may be in a different location. It could also be due to Zero's new design that Serges built, so that if he was in a position like X1 he wouldn't immediately die.


ziarnhk

It's true that he got up earlier but he didn't fight Sigma, he just shot him and Sigma ran away instead of finishing them off. Besides just because Zero woke up earlier doesn't mean he's stronger, they still fought to a draw.


BoobeamTrap

They fought to a draw and Zero still had enough strength to both get up and deflect an attack from Sigma, and be enough of a threat that Sigma didn't feel confident fighting him so that he could destroy the pair then and there. It's clear that X and Zero weren't giving the fight their all in the two good timelines, but X was still unable to react to Sigma's presence, while Zero was strong enough to protect X and also strong enough that Sigma decided to run instead of just winning.


ziarnhk

He didn't deflect anything, he just got up and attacked Sigma, then Sigma left. Sigma also didn't see him as a treat because he himself says that Zero is "not complete yet" as in, he's not awakened Zero yet, Sigma was just hoping that Zero would turn maverick like he and Wily wanted, that's why he ran away, it had nothing to do with being afraid of him. You don't even have to look too far to see how tired Zero was after the fight, in the bad ending Zero gets right in front of X and takes the attack head on, and that's enough to kill him. It's not canon, but it makes perfect sense, because after fighting X Zero was clearly tired.


BoobeamTrap

Sigma fires an attack at X, which kills Zero in the bad ending, and in the other endings Zero easily deflects. Sigma even says he’s going to finish X off and you can see the energy attack he’s firing on the sprite. Zero dies in the Awakened ending because neither he nor X is holding back. In the good timelines, they both do, which is why neither dies. Like I don’t know why this is so controversial. We literally see X down and about to be killed by Sigma, then Zero gets up, blocks the attack, and Sigma leaves. That’s all canon, we see it happen.


mockingbird13

ITT: not Axl.


DrkMaxim

I haven't played X7 so I don't know about Axl but it's a tough one for me XD.


Smooth-Garden

In their base forms id say zero simply because even at his base he is more powerful than X in terms of skill, though X with his numerous amount copy abilities can easily turn the tide if used right. Axl has potential but he lacks the combat experience x and zero have


Skullkidmusic

Zero the goat 🐐


Bornheck

X with armors, Zero without armors, Axl could have a chance if he can managed to copy one of them


Leon08x

if X has no armors available to him, most likely Zero, but if they both have access to armors, X no doubt beats Zero.


BBBDDDPL

Zero just hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha hu ha everyone and wins


bookbot1

Zero and X are actually equals - they both have Reality Altering capabilities (via Cyberspace) After all, we canonically see X being able to act as a Cyber Elf (even while his body isn’t destroyed). Furthermore, CyberElves were developed *by studying Zero*. In other words, they were able to reverse engineer a tool he already had. With how Prideful (in the literal Seven Sins way) Wily is, his ego would insist to make Zero as Broken As Possible. (X’s ability to fight on that level actually explains his ‘immunity’, since it was only by developing CyberElves that they finally got a handle on Wily’s Maverick Virus…)


ShadowTheMemer

Rip Axl


Thatbeefman_yes

X vs Zero


Quick-Somewhere-6474

Zero


kurayami_akira

Who wins? Based on X8, it's X (not the main timeline, but we haven't seen X in the elf wars so we can't really tell on that one) Best hunter though? That's Zero


Captain_Reason

This was such a hard survey to answer 😅. X and Zero both are awesome.


Vensaer

Zero beat himself, he's clearly cracked


floricel_112

X and Zero is a draw, no question about it, but Axl gets stomped simply because he's less experienced and we haven't seen him fight either of them


GladRip3870

Even without armors still X he is the one with unlimited potential he will eventually always come out on top


Kaiser_Wolfram

Zero wins. Poor Axl obviously gets last place, so I'll focus more on X and Zero. Zero was built to be Dr. Wily's violent soldier so that he could conquer the world. X was built to fight as well, but Dr. Light never intended for him to want to or need to. This makes me believe that Zero's design is more suited for combat, even if X is a combat robot. Zero has less aversion to violence compared to X, and is the most experienced of his trio. Zero even lead the Maverick Hunters for a time when Sigma went Maverick, because he was the highest ranked Maverick Hunter aside from Sigma. Even in later games, Zero is implied to be stronger than X by his ranking and statements. Zero would have defeated Sigma in his first encounter if the symbol on his forehead hadn't glowed, and he has defeated Sigma multiple times now. Zero wasn't even in his prime in his first battle with Sigma. In contrast, X instantly lost to Sigma in the Day of Sigma animation (so did Zero but he's shown that he could have defeated Sigma so it doesn't matter). He's defeated an evil version of X, and even an evil version of himself! When Zero and X fought, Zero had enough energy to fire at Sigma after the fight ended in a draw. It wasn't even Zero's full potential, as Awakened Zero exists.


talegas95

Zero. Not even close. Come on now