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Hi, we have made the decision to operate under English guidance, with regards to social distancing on cross border services, to provide consistency to customers. Therefore, customers may be seated next to each other when travelling from 19 July onwards.

Hi, we have made the decision to operate under English guidance, with regards to social distancing on cross border services, to provide consistency to customers. Therefore, customers may be seated next to each other when travelling from 19 July onwards.

Heptadecagonal

I wonder what they'll do on the Chester to Cardiff line, which goes * Chester (England) * Wrexham (Wales) * Shrewsbury (England) * Hereford (England) * Newport (Wales) * Cardiff (Wales)


KingoftheOrdovices

The line is serviced by Transport for Wales, so I'd have thought that they'd stick to Welsh government guidelines?


DundonianDolan

~~"to provide consistency to customers."~~ To maximise profits, to hell with public health.


punxcs

They’re being ran by the government right now still.


DundonianDolan

They will still be aiming maximise profit, unless it's legally binding very few businesses will keep restrictions as competitors lower their restrictions, it's a race to the bottom and inevitably, the next lockdown.


BoredDanishGuy

> unless it's legally binding very few businesses will keep restrictions as competitors lower their restrictions, In a much surprising mail today, my employer notified us all that we're keeping restrictions the same across all sites in England. No change at all. And obviously up here in Scotland we carry on as normal too.


TheBestIsaac

We've had a fair number of folk having to isolate after a couple people tested positive. We just had a memo about distancing, mask wearing getting stricter and the number of people allowed in smoking shelters being reduced. It's not so much that they're afraid folk will catch it it's that they lose staff if they have to self isolate.


BoredDanishGuy

Considering my employer forced us to sit in a contact center from 7th July last year while everyone else in the office was working From home, this was a surprise. So far they've not given a shit and fired everyone last June who didn't wanna come into the office. No matter how much holyrood has said we should work from home, they didn't ever consider it aside from the first 3 months.


Johnnycrabman

Same as I got with my ex-employer, which is a significant reason they became my ex-employer recently. “No working from home, every department is essential so need to be on site”.


BoredDanishGuy

They never even bothered justifying it. Just fired a bunch and got the rest in because 'they couldn't monitor our productivity when WFH'. I do customer support of a company that does wall panels ffs. Absolutely the worst place I've worked and I used to work for Sykes.


Johnnycrabman

I worked in finance for a company that repaired car seats!


BoredDanishGuy

that's incredibly essential!


punxcs

Oh i know, but the department of transport don’t care about scotland anyway, ofc the government ran business is gonna say as you were to this nonsense. Realistically RMT don’t want their staff in the firing line of abuse, and the BTP won’t police it properly. There was a woman who worked for virgin who was punched by a man in london and he was posting all over Facebook about how he’d do it again and he got off with basically a fine.


fadevelocity

“Get on the trains, we’re skint.”


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They’re getting ripped in the replies. I wonder if they’ll do a u-turn.


Local-Pirate1152

Not a chance. 55 million potential customers in England v 5 million in Scotland. They'll just ride it out (pardon the pun) and in 3 weeks nobody will care anyway. I give it 2 before more people are telling the Scottish government to hurry up.


[deleted]

I appreciated the pun very much. Most of our neighbours south of the border think freedom day is stupid. Hopefully enough of them kick up a stink too. While what you’re saying sounds inevitable, I really am keeping my fingers crossed that you’re wrong. What a fuckin sorry state of affairs.


cleared_all_charges

At nursery drop off this morning all the parents had masks on. I went to a supermarket today and all but a few had masks on, a guy came to measure for carpets in my house and had a mask on. So far the English public is out doing themselves, just need to vote out these tory wankers and we can start a road to recovery.


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Exactly, my friend. What the UK Gov is doing to you guys down south is reckless as fuck, I’m just glad that most of you are taking precautions. It’s the same up here, though - our arseholes are cut from the same cloth - Tories gonny Tory, Cunts are gonny Cunt. When they boast about not having caught covid and that their vulnerable loved ones are still with us, they don’t realise it was because the rest of us were taking precautions. 100% agree, let’s get these Tory bastards to fuck.


Local-Pirate1152

It's currently fashionable to oppose it. Every time restrictions have to be lifted opinion has been against them then after a couple of weeks nobody cares anymore. It'll be the same this time. Most people are naturally cautious and like being led but will always remain a little scared until they're at the promised land. It's a tale as old as Moses


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True. I’m happy to follow guidance because these recommendations are mostly coming from people who have dedicated their lives to studying this stuff. The absolute gaul of some gadgies with a few o levels, none of which are in science, thinking they know better after watching a few YouTube videos. It’s a shame they’re the vocal minority.


Local-Pirate1152

>The absolute gaul of some gadgies with a few o levels, none of which are in science, thinking they know better after watching a few YouTube videos. It’s a shame they’re the vocal minority. That's no way to talk about the UK and Scottish governments. Some of them are young enough to have done standard grades.


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Local-Pirate1152

That's a really small number though. Think about it. You maybe know 50-100 people. You regularly speak to maybe half of that. In a population of 55000000 what are the odds on you actually knowing someone with covid. Especially given that a lot of the spread in inner household transmission. If 3 people in the same household get it that's only 50000 households. Taken down to Scotland size that's about 5000 households. Now ask yourself if you'd actually notice if 5000 households in this country got sick if nobody told you about it. Every house in your area could be fine as could every house in the area of everyone you knew and of them maybe 5 or 6 households get sick. Do you know, or even care what's going in in 5000 households in the whole country? I heard someone use an analogy. If you're in Buchanan Street 2 days before Christmas the place is mobbed. The shops are mobbed and you can't move. At the same time 60000 are at Celtic park. Them not being in Buchanan Street doesn't effect you because you don't notice because your day to day life doesn't change by them not being there. It'll be the same with covid cases. If symptoms are mild and the hospitals can cope there isn't a problem. As long as the hospitals are coping there's no real problem. Some people will get sick and die, some get sick and have some post viral syndrome and some get sick and be fine. That's always been the way of the world and you have to disassociate the personal to allow national decisions to be made. The big step we have to take is to allow healthcare staff out of isolation if they get pinged or test positive but are vaccinated. Its absence of staff that's causing most hospital problems now, not overwhelmed wards.


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Local-Pirate1152

That doesn't matter. It could be 5 million a day and it still wouldn't matter. As long as hospitals don't get overwhelmed that's life. Might not be fair, might not even be nice but as a collective pack that's what we do. It's what animals have always done and what they continue to do.


adrinux

They're already getting overwhelmed. And making a huge comment on the basis of 150,000 peak rather than *per day* as the previous comment stated and then waving it away when you mistake is pointed out is just lame. Take a deep breath, learn to apologise, you don't have to keep digging yourself deeper.


Local-Pirate1152

They're overwhelmed due to staff having to isolate, not because the wards are overwhelmed. Might one be for that reason? Possibly. But the majority of overwhelmed hospitals are because of staff self isolation. That's why that has to end for vaccinated people. And as I said, 150000 per day doesn't matter as long as hospitals are ok. The whole point of restrictions in the first place. It's now policy decisions that are causing problems for hospitals, not covid itself.


adrinux

They're not OK at circa 50000 cases per day. That's a statement of fact. For the moment that may in part be due to some staff isolating to reduce chances of transmission. I fail to see how relaxing isolation rules and allowing greater transmission within hospitals is going to help for anything longer than about 2 weeks. You're still going to end up with overrun ICU wards. Double vaccinated people can still catch and still transmit Covid. Abandoning distancing rules and mask wearing when hospitals in many places already struggling? Opening nightclubs? It's just not necessary. Keep those minor restrictions in place, keep vaccinating, vaccinate the 12-18 year olds like every other western country. You keep numbers low until your reach heard immunity via vaccination, and the R drops away to near zero all by itself. *Then* you fully open.


Local-Pirate1152

>. I fail to see how relaxing isolation rules and allowing greater transmission within hospitals is going to help for anything longer than about 2 weeks. You're still going to end up with overrun ICU wards. Has that happened anywhere with a vaccination rate we have here? >Double vaccinated people can still catch and still transmit Covid. Abandoning distancing rules and mask wearing when hospitals in many places already struggling? Opening nightclubs? Then that means that will always happen. You neglect to mention that double vaccinated reduces symptoms. And again as I said hospitals are struggling as they have no staff >Keep those minor restrictions in place, keep vaccinating, vaccinate the 12-18 year olds like every other western country. If the risks of the vaccine for that age group are higher than the risks of the virus it is ridiculous to vaccinate them. It's risking children's health to calm social hysteria. >. You keep numbers low until your reach heard immunity via vaccination, and the R drops away to near zero all by itself. Then you fully open. Then the r number goes up. Covid ain't going anywhere ever


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Local-Pirate1152

Doctors want to save everyone, I'm related to a lot of them. There's also a very strong anti-restrictions voice within medicine, many of whom are rank and file and don't speak up. Politicians realise you can't save everyone but populists want to try. And most people only care about themselves so will do what they're told. Life goes on and it will go on long after we're all gone. On this occasion my money is on most people not caring by October with he exceptions of the obsessives and any media outlet looking for a cheap click


Amazingamy159

It’s Twitter. You could post a beautiful picture of a butterfly landing on a puppies nose and you’d get ripped in the replies


beIIe-and-sebastian

Covid-19 appreciates LNER's promise 'to provide consistency to customers.'


A-Poster

Here come the english plague wagons.


Audioboxer87

lol, harsh, but not entirely wrong. If there is no masks and no social distancing at all in a train carriage that is a recipe for disaster on an 5-6 hour journey or so. Scottish Government needs to monitor this closely, especially if English COVID figures hit like 100k a day.


Rather_Dashing

There is already zero distancing on flights. No idea why there has been double standards this whole time. Id prefer both had social distancing,but from an environmental perspective I appreciate when trains are allowed to be competetive with flights. If they were held to the same standard I could've taken the train there and back to London recently rather than being forced to fly down.


Glesganed

I was on a bus in Glasgow last week and found that restrictions in seating had been removed. Throughout the pandemic, every other seat had a notice on it to discourage people from sitting next to each other, that is no longer the case.


Mini-Nurse

I've not seen any signs in busses since at least level 2 actually, now that you mention it.


Audioboxer87

In response to >please tell LNER as well they sent me an email saying there'll be no social distancing on trains to Edinburgh from England and that is unacceptable Four nations approach working well when it comes to COVID. In some regards the "impossible" task for companies, but this is what Boris and his Tory chumocracy is unleashing on the UK, not just England. One could argue though when you're travelling INTO a country as your final destination you should be adhering to its COVID guidelines.


Corporal_Anaesthetic

>In some regards the "impossible" task for companies Allowing people to sit together is against public health policy in Scotland, whereas restricting people from sitting together isn't against public health policy in England - it's not policy that people must sit close together, and it's not policy that people must not wear masks.


twistedLucidity

No, you *do not* pick the lowest standard and say "All good". You pick the highest and work down through agreement. This is noting more than profiteering. Can any legal action be taken against them?


Shivadxb

Given a moral choice to choose a safer course of action from two options they chose the fuck all of you option Awesome Just fucking awesome


Local-Pirate1152

Social distancing was never law. They have said they will tell customers that face coverings are law in Scotland without a medical exemption when they reach Scotland and to put one on. That seems about all they can do.


Johnnycrabman

So they can ignore the local rules on distancing, but they still stick to the ‘no multi-buys offers’ on alcoholic drinks until you’re south of Berwick? Insanity.


Difficult-Conflict61

One is law and one isn't. Transport Scotland (transport arm of the scotgov) have also agreed to this.


Johnnycrabman

Good answer. I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted.


pickled-egg

Don't get on English trains I guess, not that you have an option in many cases.


cardinalb

Screw you LNER. Screw you. You are not above the law and don't get to decide which regulations you do or do now follow you total scumbags.


Rather_Dashing

Flights already don't have to have any social distancing. Now I'm confused why there is so much anger about this and not about flights? Are people unaware that Ryan air is cramming people in like sardines and letting them go maskless half the flight (because of course you need to eat and drink on a 1 hour flight).


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Covid-bombs everywhere.


DoubleelbuoD

Fuck them.


Jonnyrocketm4n

As usual whatever Scotland does is irrelevant


StairheidCritic

>Plague Island Union Wheres that " Equal Partnership", "Respect" and "Lead Not Leave" stuff we were all told to expect immediately after a "No" vote in 2014? If **I** was in charge as a minimum I'd arrest all LNER staff operating the train coming in to say, Waverley, from England, and not allow passengers to disembark until they'd passed a Covid test and, additionally, charge LNER Senior Management with endangering public health. This is decision is, frankly, outrageous. I hope the SG take some real action instead of either shrugging their shoulders or making a caustic remark on Twitter.


AnAncientOne

This is an eg of the way devolution will die, the English will just ignore it and force Scotland to adopt the English way until it becomes the norm.


Saltire_Blue

So if you catch Covid while on the train in Scotland, does that open them upto legal action for refusing to following the SG guidelines?


twitterInfo_bot

@TamsinRussell @ProfJohnstone @NicolaSturgeon @SkyNews @transcotland Hi, we have made the decision to operate under English guidance, with regards to social distancing on cross border services, to provide consistency to customers. Therefore, customers may be seated next to each other when travelling from 19 July onwards. *** posted by [@LNER](https://twitter.com/LNER) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)


Jiao_Dai

It should be okay because only Scottish football fans spread Covid right ?


Dalecn

You guys reliase Transport for Scotland and the Scottish Government agreed to this.


mearnsgeek

>You guys reliase Transport for Scotland and the Scottish Government agreed to this. [That's open to debate ](https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/3324301/unacceptable-english-train-operator-told-to-think-again-about-english-covid-guidance-on-services-in-scotland/) >In a statement issued to us on Monday, Transport Scotland disputes LNER’s claims that they made any deal with the train operator to adhere to relaxed English coronavirus rules on services in Scotland.


Audioboxer87

>This is unacceptable. LNER services operating in Scotland should comply with the scotgov public health guidance. I’ve asked Transport Scotland officials to address this point with LNER. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1417112792834977792 That's the transport secretary, from the Scottish Government.


twitterInfo_bot

@TamsinRussell @ProfJohnstone @NicolaSturgeon @SkyNews @transcotland Hi, we have made the decision to operate under English guidance, with regards to social distancing on cross border services, to provide consistency to customers. Therefore, customers may be seated next to each other when travelling from 19 July onwards. *** posted by [@LNER](https://twitter.com/LNER) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)


Licensed_Smartass

Oh thank god. Going to be much easier to get tickets to go down to England and enjoy the freedom.


Allydarvel

I hope you enjoy it for a long, long time


Licensed_Smartass

I figured I could lick about 30 doorknobs a day. That means in 5 days I can lick 150 doorknobs. gives me enough time to get back and cause the collapse of civilization.


Allydarvel

Bet you can't lick 2 million..I'll buy you a beer if you do