Missouri Probation Officers Send Patients Back To Prison For Using Legal Medical Marijuana
By - TerrapinTribe
Don’t know why so many people in this State are so opposed to people getting pain relief.
Because putting people in jail is profitable
This and only this.
Mentality that drug users are crime doers and we have to be tough on crime.
Which has built up an entire inefficient bureaucracy that demands punishment from menial infractions that often continues to exploit its victims long after the crime has been committed. It’s a self-perpetuating system that enforces and promotes the abuse of poor, uneducated and minority classes.
Un-Fun Fact: If you are a passenger in a vehicle and anyone else has illegal or non-prescribed pills on them in that vehicle and there’s a search… you and everyone else in that vehicle are now drug felons.
Missouri was one of the first states to have drug courts to preside over crimes like this. Weirdly, these institutions are now some of the more progressive in the nation. The idea of MO drug court was first punitive but now it’s starting to become reformative.
Mostly conservatives are opposed to anything that they aren't doing themselves. And in many cases they are, but they oppose it for appearances. Then, of course, there are those issues they are told are important by their politicians even though they don't effect them at all.
The right seem to be a bunch of folks controlled mainly by image and emotion.
Need evidence? Trump flags, MAGA hats, and anger.
One thing about contemporary Republican voters, they epitomize the old political science addage, "people vote for politicians and they they let that politician tell them what to think."
Cruelty is the intent for Republicans.
Not saying weed can't help people treat maladies, but the reason most people don't believe weed is a real medicine is that the legalization movement has all along attempted to end-run towards full legalization by first calling weed "medicine" that must be respected as such *while at the same time* calling for it to be fully legalized and sin-taxed as a money-maker like alcohol, lottery, gambling, etc. Nobody thinks alcohol and cigarettes are medicine, so why should they think that about weed?
Plus, the way in which you get a weed prescription is nothing like how you get regular prescriptions, like by going to your normal primary care doctor and getting an informed opinion with a variety of treatment choices that includes weed as one option. You pay a half-ass medical operation $250 and get a weed prescription for pretty much any reason at all, then go to an Apple-store looking shop to give you what you're being told is a prescription drug in the form of gummy bears, brownies, and all manner of stuff.
And when weed supporters say stuff like, "It's fine for *everyone* to take weed every day because there's no side effects or harm," why would anyone believe that it's a legit "medicine"? That's not how any other prescription medicine works, or is talked about.
>Not saying weed can't help people treat maladies, but the reason most people don't believe weed is a real medicine is that the legalization movement has all along attempted to end-run towards full legalization by first calling weed "medicine" that must be respected as such while at the same time calling for it to be fully legalized and sin-taxed as a money-maker like alcohol, lottery, gambling, etc. Nobody thinks alcohol and cigarettes are medicine, so why should they think that about weed?
Don't blame them for this approach. The Federal Government has intentionally lied to the American people for decades on the dangers of drugs, especially cannabis. When the first medical cannabis program was passed in California in 1996, most people in America had the "reefer madness" view of cannabis. It will make white women sleep with black men. It will cause you to commit murder, rape, suicide, and descend into madness from marijuana addiction.
To get over this decades-long propaganda campaign, they had to start somewhere. Seeing as cannabis does have plenty of medicinal properties, and improves the quality of life for chronic pain patients, it was much easier to get voters to sign off on a medical program, where you would have to have a doctor sign off. Once people saw their friends and family actually benefited from the medicinal properties, and they didn't turn into a murderous rapist, they started to question the lies they've been told all their lives.
>Plus, the way in which you get a weed prescription is nothing like how you get regular prescriptions, like by going to your normal primary care doctor and getting an informed opinion with a variety of treatment choices that includes weed as one option. You pay a half-ass medical operation $250 and get a weed prescription for pretty much any reason at all, then go to an Apple-store looking shop to give you what you're being told is a prescription drug in the form of gummy bears, brownies, and all manner of stuff.
Well this is because the Federal government will immediately arrest any doctor that "prescribes" a Schedule I drug. You'll notice that every state that has an actual functioning medical marijuana program that doctors give out "recommendations", they do NOT under any circumstances give "prescriptions" for cannabis. The difference may seem just semantics but it is a very important distinction under Federal law. Because the Feds continue to classify cannabis as Schedule I, the same schedule as heroin, (and more restrictive than cocaine and legal opiates in Schedule II), despite the evidence that there is medical benefit, there's really no way to make it like your normal prescription process you describe.
>And when weed supporters say stuff like, "It's fine for everyone to take weed every day because there's no side effects or harm," why would anyone believe that it's a legit "medicine"? That's not how any other prescription medicine works, or is talked about.
Tylenol & Advil. Melatonin. Don't need a doctor to sign off on that.
>Don't blame them for this approach.
I get what you're saying, but you're basically proving my point by explaining the rationale for why the legalization movement took the steps it did to first make weed sound like a medicine then push for full legalization. I'm just saying that because they are trying to sell weed the idea of weed this way, it creates a confusing message in which nobody believes it's a medicine in the traditional sense.
>Tylenol & Advil. Melatonin. Don't need a doctor to sign off on that.
These are over-the-counter drugs, not prescription - however, doctors sometimes prescribe OTC drugs like ibuprofen at higher doses for certain types of pain relief. The point being that prescriptions are issued for medicines where the dosage and potential side effects matter a lot more than typical OTC drugs where it's very difficult for the average person to harm herself. Nobody really knows what the strength of weed is as a medicine because people talk about it like it's a harmless OTC drug.
Fact is, its been the one of the most readily available medicines for thousands of years.
"Medicine" being a loosely used term here... ;)
Vaseline has many uses! ;)
I don't think pain relief has anything to do with it to them
EDIT: apparently I worded this wrong lol I mean the people voting against medicinal weed don't care about the pain relief part of it for those that need it
I was in a dispensary recently & there was a guy, probably 6ft, maybe 90lbs there. I've never seen a living human so thin. He immediately asked for whatever he had last time because it actually helped him eat with his Crohn's.
I'll spare you my sob story, but congratulations on your health being well enough to not need medication to function. Your judgy attitude just shows your ignorance.
Btw. Marijuana is also fabulous recreationally & if we're allowing citizens to poison themselves (alcohol/tobacco) why draw the line there? Money & power, that's why.
Agreed completely. I worded my comment poorly, I meant that pain relief for those that need it isn't in the thoughts of those voting against medicinal weed. I have a close friend who uses medicinal weed for PTSD and know he can barely function without it. It's crazy anyone is against it
How the fuck would you know jackass
Politics. Dems say yes so automatically Republicans say no
its blocked at work. but weed is still illegal at the federal level, so im assuming thats the reason they are using?
You’re not missing much. It’s a highly sensationalized article. It seems like it’s up to the discretion of the probation officer, but it’s annoying that a state agency can prosecute against something that’s legal (and profitable) for the state.
Yes. In Missouri any use of any federally controlled substance is a probation violation. Sometimes alcohol use is a probation violation as well, but if I remember right that is case dependent.
Is that just for schedule 1 controlled substances, or is schedule 2 included in that? I can't imagine using vicodin or adderall would be a probation violation if it's prescribed
I also find it ridiculous that marijuana is sched 1 but cocaine isn't.
When I was on federal parole, I had kidney stones and was prescribed opiates. I had to send in a copy of my prescription to the parole officer, and when I "failed" a drug test, since I had a valid prescription, they didn't do anything.
Cocaine has/had many legitimate medical uses. It is a great local anesthetic. It’s use is largely historical, there’s simply better anesthetics available. Marijuana’s effects are not as straightforward. As anyone who has had a bad reaction to weed can attest — I’ve heard some people tell crazy stories. Cocaine’s effects are largely undisputed.
Judges have fairly large discretion on what they can do during probation, especially with controlled substances. It is rare but prescribed drugs usually for opiate addicts can be considered violations.
For medical treatment, Marinol is preferred over marijuana as the quantity can be controlled. You’re not likely to get it prescribed without a serious chronic disease. It is only schedule 3. I think weed should be legal, so I have nothing against it but most doctors want to have a highly controlled dosage and not generally something as much of a crapshoot as the weed strain you’re getting as too strong.
>Cocaine has/had many legitimate medical uses. It is a great local anesthetic. It’s use is largely historical, there’s simply better anesthetics available. Marijuana’s effects are not as straightforward. As anyone who has had a bad reaction to weed can attest — I’ve heard some people tell crazy stories. Cocaine’s effects are largely undisputed.
This much I knew. It's just odd to be seeing the company weed holds in the schedule 1 group. Seems like it could/should be schedule 2.
It should be moved but didn't really have a medical use at the time
Are you saying marijuana didn't have a medical use in the 1970's when the controlled substances act was written? Because marijuana has been used medicinally for thousands of years, it's not like we just learned in the 2000's that it helps with chronic pain and seizures.
>Are you saying marijuana didn't have a medical use in the 1970's when the controlled substances act was written?
Correct. It wasn't used medically
If you believe otherwise, what doctors were using it?
Of course it was, that's just silly. Have you not seen the tinctures pharmacies sold in the 1930's that were made with cannabis and other drugs? Marijuana has always been used medicinally right along side the recreational use.
>Of course it was, that's just silly. Have you not seen the tinctures pharmacies sold in the 1930's that were made with cannabis and other drugs? Marijuana has always been used medicinally right along side the recreational use.
Those were not medicine. They were snake oil. Most included high amounts of alcohol as well, that doesn't suddenly make whisky medicine
What a load of bullshit.
Please feel free to cite your sources. There’s a reason we use codeine and not raw opium. Controlling dosage is an incredibly important part of modern medicine. As I said I don’t think marijuana should be scheduled at all. But we are talking about people on probation. In any case here’s a study that indicates Marinol lasts longer and has a lower potential of abuse, likely due to the longer onset:
Parole is often contingent on a number of behaviors by the parolee that are otherwise legal for non-prisoners. Not leaving the state, not driving a car, not consuming alcohol, not going to schools or play grounds, not interacting with their kids, etc.
One of those was probably passing a drug test for these folks. So failing a drug test even with something that's sort of legal would be grounds to end their early release from prison.
>w do they square this with the state constitution saying citizens have to have access to medical cannabis?
My guess...with the kickbacks they get from the private prisons.
According to [https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/](https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/) MO doesn't have any private prisons.
Is that out of date?
I hope that's true. I'd never heard that. I'm kind of shocked to hear that to be honest.
Federal gun laws? Fuck that, we can’t enforce those.
Federal cannabis laws? Hell yeah it’s time to get our recidivism rates up!
One is a violation of our constitutional rights and one is a violation of probation. Not a good comparison there.
One is a violation of our constitutional rights and one is a violation of States Rights
ah yes, the infallible constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I just love how you guys ignore the first part of this. Regulated means to be kept in proper order with rules and regulations. So no... enacting rules like ammo capacity and type of weapons is not shitting on your rights. Taking away your right to own firearms would.
And we both know that amendment is very out of date. I highly fucking doubt the FFs could even imagine the type of firearms we have today. When was the last time you met up with your local militias to train? See... out of fucking date.
> one is a violation of probation
... because it's against federal law.
Please do try and keep up.
Probation officer's only purpose is to get you back in prison. state or federal. Fuck them.
Let's face it, our state is pretty damn fucked up right now.
It gets worse every fucking election. I've watched us go from Nixon and McCaskill to Greitens/Parson and Hawley in my lifetime and I don't think it's going to get better any time soon.
I love the KC area, but I'm so tired of state-level politics being batshit insane and full of morons.
It's like the universe decided to send us on a downward spiral along with Mel Carnahan's plane.
What was so great about McCaskill?
She wouldn't have thrown up a fist to show solidarity with a bunch of domestic terrorists shortly before they'd go on to penetrate 4 layers of security at the Capitol with the intent of kidnapping and then killing her colleagues, nor would she have defended them in the immediate aftermath.
Just sayin'. McCaskill wasn't great. As both a politician and as a human being, she was mediocre at best.
That still makes her orders of a magnitude less of a piece of shit on both fronts as Hawley is (who, if ya didn't know, had previously written letters of support for the Oklahoma City Bombers).
Commonsense. Missouri needs more of it.
Embarrassed to live in Missouri
I had my MMC before I went on probation. Was sent back to jail for using it because I didn't get permission to do so. Wtf?
So now I have to wait until fuck knows when to be able to use it again. Meanwhile my sleep schedule is fucked.
So goddamn backwards
I don't want to be a dick, but why would you do that without running it by your PO first for any potential repercussions?
I probably should have explained that since I had it before anything and the court knew, it wasn't brought up when it came time for Probation.
Imagine me, my lawyer, and a bunch of the police at the stations surprise when I found out that I was going to jail even though I had a state license for it.
Yeah, that definitely gives some better context. They did you fucking dirty.
So I have an alcohol monitor too (anklet) and even they were surprised. It was very upsetting and problematic to go back to jail for a week only for them to amend the rules. So now, no "mind altering drugs"....
Meanwhile, been using for sleep for 6 years. Ugh
I was on probation in Missouri, they tried that shit on me…. My attorney made it go away
Fuck Missouri probation I’m smoking lol
And fuck the courts
Did your attorney get them to let you use it on probation?
Don't get me wrong, something like this shouldn't happen, but, come on, man. Why in the hell would you even risk your freedom over a little bit weed by giving the State an opportunity to make a horrible decision like this. It's still illegal federally. Let all the state/fed details get worked out before you put yourself in that kind of position. Did the guy even run it by his PO beforehand?
That's fucked up. I hope they can appeal it somehow.
There is no appealing it likely. When you agree to parole or probation you agree to terms set so you can get out early. These terms do not just cover illegal things. For instance many probation terms require you not drink alcohol and if caught you still get sent back. Police also need no probably cause to search your vehicle when on parole, that is almost always another term you agree to.