Loki S01E04 - Discussion Thread
By - steve32767
Episode is up! Enjoy!
(Stick around at the end, there is one extra scene in the credits)
After Sylvie cuts off the head of the time keeper, the other two start laughing and after the shut down you can hear a quiet "See. You. Soon.". Somebody is definitely watching/playing with them.
Wow...had to rewatch at max volume many times but they definitely whisper something that sounds like "see....you.....................soon" CC does not show the line, just the laughter but definitely a great catch.
Yeah, its more clear in the German dub (when i watched the episode for the first time). In the German dub, the sentence is a bit longer: "Wir sehen uns bald", which translates to the same thing ("we will see us soon").
Mobius getting pruned had me in tears
my man just wanted to be on a jet ski
What messed me up was for the first time, Loki was actually able to gain someone's trust, to where they tell him he can be a good guy, and then the dude just gets obliterated right in front of him moments later. I mean, this is end-of-avengers Loki, so I just thought of it from that perspective.
"...seems like you and I are in a loop of our own."
A Mobius loop, perhaps?
My foreshadowing sense is tingling
Nice, there it is. 4 more Loki’s, Comic accurate and all. Pruning isnt death, looks like they are just sent to another timeline?
To a timeline filled with other pruned variants of themselves it seems.
And a ruined NYC, Avengers tower and all
We thinking that's the timeline where Loki's Chitauri invasion succeeded or what?
Maybe that's why in the trailer you see Loki as a president or something and saying: C'mon.. what did you expect?
Mobius did mention how many Lokis became varients. Not surprising there are a bunch of them in the pruned prision.
Sounds like loki can be a better version of himself, but the timekeepers won't allow it
A prison timeline it seems. Which begs the question why imprisonment instead of just outright eliminating them? Being a variant or being removed from one's timeline doesn't make them immune to death (see 2014 Thanos and co., or any TVA guards killed by Silvie), so there has to be another reason.
Maybe they imprison them and then who ever seems to be useful to the TVA gets recruited back as an agent after thier memory being washed out obviously
You're telling me they got Richard E. Grant in this show as a surprise, an incredible acting veteran, and they put him in a straight-from-the-comics Loki suit?
Academy Award nominee Richard E. Grant, wearing a straight-from-the-comics Loki suit. I love it so much
Seeing Mobius talk about wanting his life back as he got pruned was so sad.
if there's a Lokiverse, there must be a Mobiusverse
Bucky just wanted some plums, Mobius just wanted his jet ski back.
Even if they’re fake, I love how fucking ridiculous the timekeepers looked. Full-on Kirby weirdness on screen in 4K glory. Love it
That whole room was great! It looked like it could’ve been a panel in a comic easily. I especially loved the ominous and ultimately pointless glowy red symbols that cut through all the blue
It gave me Wizard of Oz vibes, like over the top sci-fi cheesy "all powerful!". Loved it.
It immediately made me think of The Wizard of Oz reveal, lots of smoke and theatrics that would get revealed as fake.
THEY FUCKING KILLED HIM AGAIN
"I've lost track of the number of times I've been killed, so go ahead!"
Mans called his shot.
"I died seven times!" -Phil Coulson
If we’re following the pattern, the next thing he’ll do is steal the tesseract
Avengers: Steals the tesseract
The Dark World: “Dies”
Ragnarok: Steals the tesseract
Infinity War: Dies
Endgame: Steals the tesseract
Yep. That tracks.
I can imagine a Jason Bourne kind of movie ending
(Friend looks sad)
"By the way we can't find the Tesseract"
(Extreme Ways "Oooweeeeeeeeee" music kicks in)
Or the Indiana Jones meme of him falling to his death then standing behind everyone
OH MY GOD! THEY KILLED LOKI!
And he is still alive! Classic Loki
Oh look, there’s Classic Loki.
I see how starting a relationship with a parallel version of yourself can definitely cause a massive time-fuckup lmao
She looked so confused when he was trying to tell her how he felt.
Homegirl has been hanging out around imminent apocalypses and enchanting minds since before she hit puberty, something tells me that she’s just as awkward as Loki (or more) about this sort of thing.
She did hit it off with a postman
I mean its just fapping
The TVA started the No Fap movement
Me: Where Mobius?
is he safe? is he alright?
It seems in opening his eyes to the truth, you've killed him
"Incredible seismic narcissist" what a brilliant insult
That whole scene! I was shattered when they pruned mobius at the end.
At least in the end we know he’s probably alive somewhere with other Mobius variants.
a jet ski universe
if we don’t see Mobius ride a jet ski i’ll be pissed.
By the way, this is the Sif hair-cutting story from Norse mythology referenced earlier in the episode:
So instead of "breaking every bone in his body" the showrunners said nah let's break Loki's dick instead, got it
I mean, it's the quality of the bone not the quantity. Go with the one that matters?
I love when mythology stories are brought in.
# Androids Aliens and Wizards
The big three
Richard E Grant playing what I can only assume is an old man Loki in the mid credit scene (also is that the Avengers tower wrecked in the background there?)
Until such time as the next episode releases and proves me wrong, I am assuming that Richard E Grant is voicing Alligator Loki and Old Man Loki is mute. Because that would be a hilarious subversion of expectations and give us a guaranteed break-out fan favorite in the form of a god of mischief in the form of a prehistoric reptile that speaks with an incredibly eloquent voice.
This will be my head canon for the next week, this made me laugh out loud 😂
Welcome to the 2nd half of the season.
Hiddleston wasn’t kidding when he said episode 4 would be one of the best of the bunch
I believe he said 4 and 5 are his favorites and that in total there are only 6 right? I’m guessing next episode is going to be crazy and the finale will be all out war.
6th will be another major cliffhanger.
Seems pretty clear they're building up to multiverse movie(s).
They've been really heavy handed with the fact that episode 6 is gonna be Owen Wilson tearing around the Gulf of Mexico on a jet ski for an hour.
Well I wasn’t expecting that, mindless androids…
Wonder if that plays into the robot detector they all have to walk through? Takes one to know one?
And the ticket taking process is just a test to see if you can take simple direction without being a dick. If you can’t take a ticket you’re not even worth trying to make into a hunter
Sylvie doesn’t understand that Asgard isn’t a place.
It's a salad
Right in front of my salad?
On the other hand, *Ragnarok* Asgard is a place, a time, and an *apocalypse.* Seems to me that it'd be a good place to recruit a lot of variant Asgardian soldiers to fight the TVA with if Sylvie wanted to get serious.
Was that a Lokidile or a Sylvigator?
I'm going with Crocodoki. Okay-dokie.
INTO THE LOKI-VERSE WE GO
Everyone was expecting Multiverse and Spiderverse ... but nobody was ready for the Lokiverse.
RICHARD E. GRANT HAS FUCKING ARRIVED!!!
AND IN THE CLASSIC LOKI COSTUME!
Another silly looking but comic accurate costume. I am so fucking happy right now.
who else is in the "more or less comic accurate but also silly costume" club?
I Cap has one in his first movie while he performs and theres also Jessica Jones' Jewel outfit we seem them hold. any others? my mind is drawing a blank haha
wandavision halloween episode had them for the entire family
Luke Cage accidentally made his comic book outfit out of the materials he had.
I like to think Sif appearing here is a soft reintroduction to / reminder of the character before she starts appearing in Thor movies again.
The last time she appeared was in Agents of SHIELD season 2. Crazy.
That was in 2014,holy shit, she has one of the longest gaps in appearances in all of mcu, 7 years, only Abobination and that scientist from Iron man have a larger gap
I don't care what his name actually is, he shall forever be the Box of Scraps guy to me
She would've stayed in the Thor movies if the actress didn't get her own NBC show.
She probably would've died in Ragnarok if that hadn't happened. Lucky her!
Bet Hogun's fight with Hela would have been Sif's if Jaimie Alexander had been available.
Loki got off really easy with that prison. Imagine getting the Hulk Smash time loop instead.
“Sif-mammu, I’ve come to bargain”
“I have been *kicked in the balls* and *slapped* for THIRTY MINUTES”
So nice to see Sif get a cameo every decade or so!
Before they showed it to be a loop had a brief moment where I wondered who else might walk through the doorway, was hopeful for a stream of cameos
Bruh the Lorax from Dr Seuss is a fucking Timekeeper lmaooooo
Lol yea they looked ridiculous. I was thinking how fake they looked, turns out they were!
Me "damn these don't look that good"
Five minutes later:finds out why.
He's protecting the Scared timeline instead of protecting the trees
I am the Lorax, and I speak for the trees.
Respect the sacred timeline, or I'll break your fucking knees.
The Timekeepers are FAKE
"Then who created the TVA"
Reddit will be getting to the bottom of that for the next week Loki.
I bet it's another goddamn Loki. The one who won.
Lokis all the way down.
Miss Minutes created the TVA. You heard it here first, folks.
Yeah, didn't they say that her part would get bigger?
But what is SHE? She just seems like a quirky computer hologram, I didn’t think much of it but every single “theory” and “breakdown” video seems to think there’s a good chance she’s much bigger than she seems.
"How about the word of a friend?"
Mobius: You son of a bitch, I'm in
Yeah, I was thinking Legolas and Gimli for sure. That was awesome.
LOOOL WAS THAT AN ALLIGATOR LOKI?!!?
So we got a Black Loki, a kid Loki, old man Loki, and a reptile Loki
Edit: I'm pretty sure that is >!Boastful Loki!< as seen in the credits.
Old man Loki who looks like he just finished with Comic Con
He even has a bag to carry his haul in.
I never in a million years thought I'd see classic loki, played by master thespian Richard E Grant
The emotion in her voice when she said "I looked happy" really got to me. I love Marvel
I know! I felt so bad for her
Damn Sif those words cut deep.
After Loki talked about fearing being alone, she didn't slap him. The words ''you will always be alone'' hurt him enough.
Yeah, a true kick in the balls
Oh the TVA steals kids. They are def the bad guys.
what if it was baby thanos?
First of all, that's horrible
Oooh, post credit scene this week
Thats a alt new york right. (Stark tower to the right?)
The New York that Iron Man never stopped the a-bomb in?
Perhaps one where Loki won, kinda like a monkey's paw situation?
The one reality that loki won, the tva wiped it as use it as a pruned variant dumping ground. No wonder they keep saying Loki’s never win… the tva rigged the whole timeline to guarrantee it.
The TVA rigged the whole timeline to guarantee that SOME Lokis never win.
I’m personally on board the Kang-train and have been since episode 1, but in terms of alternate possibilities……finding out that a deranged Loki variant actually got what he wanted and won to control the TVA, but now works hard to prune all his alternate selves like a juiced up version of The Prestige…..that could be interesting too.
My favorite theory. Especially considering we are getting President Loki in this show.
It's ironic that they scan variants to automatically destroy robots and the Time Keepers themselves were puppet robots.
Possibly why? A robot could potentially sus the Variant puppets out more easily?
Time Keepers: Any last words?
Robot in the TVA: You are familiar with the thought experiment the Ship of Theseus in the field of identity metaphysics?
Don’t think I’ve ever gotten so upset at a tv/movie then the moment they pruned Mobius.
My jaw just dropped, I just couldn't believe they actually killed him off just like that.
...then of course it turned out that's he's probably just chilling in the penal dimension or whatever.
Ravonna Renslayer is one cold-hearted bitch.
That smirk and "I don't remember." Made me instantly hate her.
Edit: Also in hindsight, that name just screams evil.
Her fucking smile in the elevator with Sylvie. You just know she remembers exactly what happened with Sylvie and just went for the dagger to her heart. Amazing villain and Gugu Mbatha-Raw is killing it.
The power tripping from the TVA agents is such a spot-on bit of characterisation considering the organisation they work for. E.g. B15 belittling Loki, controlling him, calling him a cosmic mistake, and then Ravonna pretending like she doesn't remember what Sylvie supposedly did in order to convey how unimportant she supposedly is. Oof.
"You know, we brought in Kree, Titans, Vampires."
Setting up Blade I see. Really excited for that Marvel project.
I love how they casually drop info like this
Bruh Abomination and a Blade reference all in a week. MCU fans are fucking feasting rn. God bless you Feige you beautiful bastard
Feige is like the grandma that can’t stop feeding her grandchildren even after they think they’re already full. My stomach is a dark void, never stop feeding me Feige.
Feige's shawarma out here sustaining our life force
The audacity of Marvel to do this
And we thought last week's cliffhanger was brutal.
Next week they're just going to delete all of reality and hang a "To be continued" screen in front of us.
I was ready to be upset because I thought the cliffhanger was when they went inside the time keepers area lol.
Tom Hiddleston wasn’t kidding when he said this show was going to go in a completely different direction after episode 4.
The ending of this episode definitely proved that.
Easily the best episode of the series so far.
And considering it looks like Loki is alive after being pruned, Mobius still has a chance, right?!?!
Fantastic stuff all around.
If Mobius doesn’t get to jet ski, I’m going to riot. He has to survive
Yea bruh when Mobius was pruned I was so pissed until I saw the post credits scene. I was like bruh my man cannot die before jet skiing again
I just stared at my screen and s e e t h e d. How dare they lie to Owen Wilson
The Time keepers are robots, Mobius gets pruned, Loki gets pruned, there is life after getting pruned, there is a Loki-gator!, not a single event on my Bingo card
Can't wait for episode 5
P.s Who the fuck is controlling the TVA
I DONT NEED SLEEP I NEED ANSWERS
I am really hoping that the person talking to Loki in that scene was actually the Alligator.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Ravonna Renslayer in the comics in love with Kang the Conqueror? Surely they wouldn’t use that name with no tie to that
Ravonna also showed absolutely zero surprise that the Time Keepers were androids. I think because she knows exactly who is pulling the strings behind them
First mention of actual vampires (*aside from Thor: Ragnarok, that was more of a joke than for lore purposes)! Teasing for Blade
she was literally just playing with toys wtf did she do lol
My theory is that she was putting herself onto a path of being a heroic character. And that was too much of a variation for the TVA. A non-villainous, non-backstabby, potentially trustworthy Loki would throw all kinds of crap into the fan if you think about it.
And to me, it speaks volumes about undermining "destiny" and all that. Lokis aren't always fated to be villains maybe, no matter what the will of the TVA is.
This actually makes a lot of sense but is also heartbreaking in a way. As someone else said in their comment, she was too kind to be a Loki.
It seems that Loki being who he was forced others to be their best selves. But the best version of Loki was a variant. This makes it sound like his destiny was to be the catalyst for others to be their best, but he had to be at his worst (so to speak) for that to be possible.
If this is what it is… it’s incredibly poignant.
Bruh imagine just vibing with your toys and then getting arrested by a bunch of soldiers
Long shot but i think she was arrested for having a good heart. She was playing a “save Asgard” scenario the moment she was arrested. She told the tva cops to help the variant in pain. If being a “Loki” in the sacred timeline means that it has to be a villain, an antagonist to a hero, she was on the wrong path. (She also knew she was adopted and grew healthy at the time having that information)
Damn! I think you've got it right. She also looked really worried about the other variant and wanted to help him. Besides it's tied up perfectly with Loki's "born to cause pain" identity crisis. Also, note how the "I need a hero" was played when we first saw Slyvie fight.
I loved Mobius's line to Loki about being whatever he wants "because I don't think you've heard that enough"
Bro when Renslayer said she forgot what Nexus Event made them take Sylvie with a smile my blood boiled. Renslayer deserves to be slayed.
She’s fucking Kang the Conqueror. Literally.
Is she having sex with him or she is him?
the way the tva lady smirked makes me think that sylvie got declared a variant bc she decided to play smth differently with her toys
Another timeline Loki is holding alligator loki. WTF
I'd like to see the TVA try to capture an adult alligator Loki like Steve Irwin.
i cannot belive this. i expected kid loki bc they for sure will do young avengers but COMIC LOKI? sadly i don't know the 3rd person but there is also alligator loki???
Alligator Loki must be an enemy of Throg lol
The Adventures of Throg and Alligator Loki.
Omg I never knew I could want something so ridiculous so badly.
3rd character was identified in the credits as "boastful loki"
Sylvie with 3 guards meanwhile Loki has only 2. “By the way, I should have an equal amount of security. This is insulting!”
Classic Loki. Sylvie probably thinking that this isn’t about him.
These Mobius and Loki divorce proceedings :(
lol old man Loki in the comic classic costume. And wtf alligator Loki
Mobius talking about that goddamn JETSKI! Shit man GET THIS MAN A JET SKI ALREADY.
Anyone else noticed the callback to [Avengers](https://imgur.com/a/NgNHVAo)?
In Avengers, after failing in his conquest, New York is saved, and he wakes up to a dude crouching while pointing an arrow at him, a dude holding a hammer, and 100-year old senior just standing there. Now up after failing another quest, New York is in ruins, and he is 'saved' by versions of him in similar poses.
Mobius is forcing this romance hard, he might as well be a twitter shipper.
When considering the age old question of whether you'd fight or fuck your clone, Loki chose both
Because, of course they would. They're Loki
“Maybe I had a jet ski.” He has to come back.
Calling it now, Mobius always figures out the truth of the TVA. Renslayer then prunes him and brings him back with a freshly scrambled brain. Her treasures from her other ‘favorite analyst’ are actually all from previous versions of Mobius.
Now I know why tom said this was one of his favorite episode. Cant wait for 5
This comment says so little, yet so much. The end credit scene is something completely out of left field and this episode did not go the way I expected.
It looks like the post-credit scene is in New York cause you see Stark Tower. Perhaps this is a reality where he beat the avengers and took over earth in 2012
RIP Mobius, he didn't deserve this for discovering the truth
Edit: If Loki is alive, does everyone else that was pruned survive as well? Guess we'll find out next week
I started suspecting pruning wasn’t death. It made no sense to bring people to trial. So really the trial is to determine if they are good subjects to work at the tva or be discarded in what’s essentially a garbage dump timeline
the Time Keepers reminded me of [these guys](https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_tradefederation_01_169_4d5122ac.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=768) lol. very glad they turned out to not be real. here comes Kang🤞🤞🤞
Now that... THAT was an episode for the ages right there!
I’m truly awe-struck because I have zero clue where the show is gonna go next, and that has me so damn excited!!
So now Owen Wilson is a wingman trying to get these two crazy Loki’s together, love that for him. Hope he gets his one true love, a Jetski
Edit: I’d sad now, look what they’ve done to my boy!
What the actual fuck is that post credit scene!?!
Richard E Grant is a future Loki.
A kid Loki and a Black Thor with a MENTAL looking Mjolnir.
Man the judge is being harsh to Möbius about the first Loki escaping considering Sylvie escaped under her watch as a kid
Made me laugh aloud when a grown ass lady let a kid get away, she just stood there too when sylvie was gloating for a few seconds before booking it
That's probably why
The one other detail I forgot to mention that hit me like a pile of bricks was Owen Wilson’s spectacular performance before giving his final speech about going back to his previous life.
It’s amazing how in just 4 episodes, I’ve cared more about Mobius as a character than a lot of others in the MCU TV Series’s. I’m HOPING we get to see him again (which I’m pretty sure we will) and to see him (for the love of all that is holy) ride that goddamn jet-ski! My heart needs this.
Him trying to pry information from Ravonna in her office felt so realistic, great performance from both of them!