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Loki S01E04 - Discussion Thread

Loki S01E04 - Discussion Thread

steve32767

Episode is up! Enjoy! (Stick around at the end, there is one extra scene in the credits)


schneper

After Sylvie cuts off the head of the time keeper, the other two start laughing and after the shut down you can hear a quiet "See. You. Soon.". Somebody is definitely watching/playing with them.


Kajita52

Wow...had to rewatch at max volume many times but they definitely whisper something that sounds like "see....you.....................soon" CC does not show the line, just the laughter but definitely a great catch.


schneper

Yeah, its more clear in the German dub (when i watched the episode for the first time). In the German dub, the sentence is a bit longer: "Wir sehen uns bald", which translates to the same thing ("we will see us soon").


sad-pineapple-

Mobius getting pruned had me in tears


sad-pineapple-

my man just wanted to be on a jet ski


Lilmills1445

What messed me up was for the first time, Loki was actually able to gain someone's trust, to where they tell him he can be a good guy, and then the dude just gets obliterated right in front of him moments later. I mean, this is end-of-avengers Loki, so I just thought of it from that perspective.


Syatek

https://i.imgur.com/0gtQ7Hd.jpg


idkbout_that

"...seems like you and I are in a loop of our own." A Mobius loop, perhaps? My foreshadowing sense is tingling


AdministrationDry783

Nice, there it is. 4 more Loki’s, Comic accurate and all. Pruning isnt death, looks like they are just sent to another timeline?


SilverPositive

To a timeline filled with other pruned variants of themselves it seems.


mursemanmke

And a ruined NYC, Avengers tower and all


No-cool-names-left

We thinking that's the timeline where Loki's Chitauri invasion succeeded or what?


EntertainerClassic23

Maybe that's why in the trailer you see Loki as a president or something and saying: C'mon.. what did you expect? ​ ​ ​ Right??


travio

Mobius did mention how many Lokis became varients. Not surprising there are a bunch of them in the pruned prision.


Noobtber

Sounds like loki can be a better version of himself, but the timekeepers won't allow it


CaptainChickenBake

A prison timeline it seems. Which begs the question why imprisonment instead of just outright eliminating them? Being a variant or being removed from one's timeline doesn't make them immune to death (see 2014 Thanos and co., or any TVA guards killed by Silvie), so there has to be another reason.


pelu-_-panda

Maybe they imprison them and then who ever seems to be useful to the TVA gets recruited back as an agent after thier memory being washed out obviously


ParrotSTD

You're telling me they got Richard E. Grant in this show as a surprise, an incredible acting veteran, and they put him in a straight-from-the-comics Loki suit? I'm onboard.


nobondjokes

Academy Award nominee Richard E. Grant, wearing a straight-from-the-comics Loki suit. I love it so much


SwagMoney_420__

Seeing Mobius talk about wanting his life back as he got pruned was so sad.


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if there's a Lokiverse, there must be a Mobiusverse


thejameswhistler

Bucky just wanted some plums, Mobius just wanted his jet ski back.


yellowdartsw

https://i.imgur.com/0gtQ7Hd.jpg


CaseDogNiceGuy

Even if they’re fake, I love how fucking ridiculous the timekeepers looked. Full-on Kirby weirdness on screen in 4K glory. Love it


pointlessBRZ

That whole room was great! It looked like it could’ve been a panel in a comic easily. I especially loved the ominous and ultimately pointless glowy red symbols that cut through all the blue


mrbrinks

It gave me Wizard of Oz vibes, like over the top sci-fi cheesy "all powerful!". Loved it.


asylumattic

It immediately made me think of The Wizard of Oz reveal, lots of smoke and theatrics that would get revealed as fake.


bjkman

THEY FUCKING KILLED HIM AGAIN


Twl1

"I've lost track of the number of times I've been killed, so go ahead!" Mans called his shot.


Amsnhardiman

"I died seven times!" -Phil Coulson


jacketpotatoo

If we’re following the pattern, the next thing he’ll do is steal the tesseract


MdoesArt

Thor: Dies Avengers: Steals the tesseract The Dark World: “Dies” Ragnarok: Steals the tesseract Infinity War: Dies Endgame: Steals the tesseract Yep. That tracks.


AdvocateSaint

I can imagine a Jason Bourne kind of movie ending "Loki's dead" (Friend looks sad) "By the way we can't find the Tesseract" (Extreme Ways "Oooweeeeeeeeee" music kicks in) [Friend smirks]


TreginWork

Or the Indiana Jones meme of him falling to his death then standing behind everyone


timeexterminator

OH MY GOD! THEY KILLED LOKI! YOU BASTARDS!


JonathanL73

And he is still alive! Classic Loki


aurumphallus

Oh look, there’s Classic Loki.


RalphSkipperson

I see how starting a relationship with a parallel version of yourself can definitely cause a massive time-fuckup lmao


JFeth

She looked so confused when he was trying to tell her how he felt.


matthew7s26

Homegirl has been hanging out around imminent apocalypses and enchanting minds since before she hit puberty, something tells me that she’s just as awkward as Loki (or more) about this sort of thing.


blacklite911

She did hit it off with a postman


Dark_Aster566

I mean its just fapping


Comprehensive_Yak_72

The TVA started the No Fap movement


FloppyShellTaco

/episode starts Me: Where Mobius?


steve32767

is he safe? is he alright?


deetricky

It seems in opening his eyes to the truth, you've killed him


sabertoothdiego

"Incredible seismic narcissist" what a brilliant insult


mastrepolo

That whole scene! I was shattered when they pruned mobius at the end.


terriblehuman

At least in the end we know he’s probably alive somewhere with other Mobius variants.


destinybladez

a jet ski universe


AdeleBeckham

if we don’t see Mobius ride a jet ski i’ll be pissed.


Falalalally

By the way, this is the Sif hair-cutting story from Norse mythology referenced earlier in the episode: http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/mythology/myths/text/treasures.htm


valarpizzaeris

So instead of "breaking every bone in his body" the showrunners said nah let's break Loki's dick instead, got it


CM_Dugan

I mean, it's the quality of the bone not the quantity. Go with the one that matters?


NeptuneOW

I love when mythology stories are brought in.


shaheedmalik

# Androids Aliens and Wizards


hadrimx

The big three


neocinnamin

Richard E Grant playing what I can only assume is an old man Loki in the mid credit scene (also is that the Avengers tower wrecked in the background there?)


DomLite

Until such time as the next episode releases and proves me wrong, I am assuming that Richard E Grant is voicing Alligator Loki and Old Man Loki is mute. Because that would be a hilarious subversion of expectations and give us a guaranteed break-out fan favorite in the form of a god of mischief in the form of a prehistoric reptile that speaks with an incredibly eloquent voice.


chuntington

This will be my head canon for the next week, this made me laugh out loud 😂


bjkman

Welcome to the 2nd half of the season.


BumbleLapse

Hiddleston wasn’t kidding when he said episode 4 would be one of the best of the bunch


nerdinmissouri

I believe he said 4 and 5 are his favorites and that in total there are only 6 right? I’m guessing next episode is going to be crazy and the finale will be all out war.


Born_1999

6th will be another major cliffhanger.


rebellion_ap

Seems pretty clear they're building up to multiverse movie(s).


Ikimasen

They've been really heavy handed with the fact that episode 6 is gonna be Owen Wilson tearing around the Gulf of Mexico on a jet ski for an hour.


AdministrationDry783

Well I wasn’t expecting that, mindless androids…


ComebackShane

Wonder if that plays into the robot detector they all have to walk through? Takes one to know one?


Rob3125

And the ticket taking process is just a test to see if you can take simple direction without being a dick. If you can’t take a ticket you’re not even worth trying to make into a hunter


trustifarian

TVA Captcha


The_Unknown98

Sylvie doesn’t understand that Asgard isn’t a place.


albene

It's a salad


StormDergin

Right in front of my salad?


ScarsUnseen

On the other hand, *Ragnarok* Asgard is a place, a time, and an *apocalypse.* Seems to me that it'd be a good place to recruit a lot of variant Asgardian soldiers to fight the TVA with if Sylvie wanted to get serious.


b0n3sawisready

Was that a Lokidile or a Sylvigator?


Frond_Dishlock

I'm going with Crocodoki. Okay-dokie.


singh_j

INTO THE LOKI-VERSE WE GO


mugu007

Everyone was expecting Multiverse and Spiderverse ... but nobody was ready for the Lokiverse.


bjkman

RICHARD E. GRANT HAS FUCKING ARRIVED!!!


PhoenixSelarom

AND IN THE CLASSIC LOKI COSTUME! Another silly looking but comic accurate costume. I am so fucking happy right now.


Csantana

who else is in the "more or less comic accurate but also silly costume" club? I Cap has one in his first movie while he performs and theres also Jessica Jones' Jewel outfit we seem them hold. any others? my mind is drawing a blank haha


jordanfromjordan

wandavision halloween episode had them for the entire family


Karkava

Luke Cage accidentally made his comic book outfit out of the materials he had.


trexeric

I like to think Sif appearing here is a soft reintroduction to / reminder of the character before she starts appearing in Thor movies again.


Brain124

The last time she appeared was in Agents of SHIELD season 2. Crazy.


abellapa

That was in 2014,holy shit, she has one of the longest gaps in appearances in all of mcu, 7 years, only Abobination and that scientist from Iron man have a larger gap


Sere1

I don't care what his name actually is, he shall forever be the Box of Scraps guy to me


One_Hour_Poop

She would've stayed in the Thor movies if the actress didn't get her own NBC show.


trexeric

She probably would've died in Ragnarok if that hadn't happened. Lucky her!


No-cool-names-left

Bet Hogun's fight with Hela would have been Sif's if Jaimie Alexander had been available.


r2002

Loki got off really easy with that prison. Imagine getting the Hulk Smash time loop instead.


timeexterminator

“Sif-mammu, I’ve come to bargain”


GraconBease

“I have been *kicked in the balls* and *slapped* for THIRTY MINUTES”


lalalachacha248

So nice to see Sif get a cameo every decade or so!


hodge91

Before they showed it to be a loop had a brief moment where I wondered who else might walk through the doorway, was hopeful for a stream of cameos


valarpizzaeris

Bruh the Lorax from Dr Seuss is a fucking Timekeeper lmaooooo


crystalxclear

Lol yea they looked ridiculous. I was thinking how fake they looked, turns out they were!


Reidroshdy

Me "damn these don't look that good" Five minutes later:finds out why.


The_Unknown98

He's protecting the Scared timeline instead of protecting the trees


SpringyFredbearSuit

I am the Lorax, and I speak for the trees. Respect the sacred timeline, or I'll break your fucking knees.


RalphSkipperson

The Timekeepers are FAKE "Then who created the TVA" Reddit will be getting to the bottom of that for the next week Loki.


SteveBob316

I bet it's another goddamn Loki. The one who won.


niclasj

Lokis all the way down.


LaboratoryManiac

Miss Minutes created the TVA. You heard it here first, folks.


Tebeku

Yeah, didn't they say that her part would get bigger?


WanderWut

But what is SHE? She just seems like a quirky computer hologram, I didn’t think much of it but every single “theory” and “breakdown” video seems to think there’s a good chance she’s much bigger than she seems.


valarpizzaeris

"How about the word of a friend?" Mobius: You son of a bitch, I'm in


-screamin-

Yeah, I was thinking Legolas and Gimli for sure. That was awesome.


HellooWorlddd

LOOOL WAS THAT AN ALLIGATOR LOKI?!!?


FrostedPixel47

So we got a Black Loki, a kid Loki, old man Loki, and a reptile Loki Edit: I'm pretty sure that is >!Boastful Loki!< as seen in the credits.


lik_for_cookies

Old man Loki who looks like he just finished with Comic Con


One_Hour_Poop

He even has a bag to carry his haul in.


KentuckyFriedEel

I never in a million years thought I'd see classic loki, played by master thespian Richard E Grant


Czulax

The emotion in her voice when she said "I looked happy" really got to me. I love Marvel


World_in_my_eyes

I know! I felt so bad for her


TheSweatband

Damn Sif those words cut deep.


GamePlayXtreme

After Loki talked about fearing being alone, she didn't slap him. The words ''you will always be alone'' hurt him enough.


TheSweatband

Yeah, a true kick in the balls


iwillattack

Oh the TVA steals kids. They are def the bad guys.


apatil4

what if it was baby thanos?


David_ish_

First of all, that's horrible


neocinnamin

Oooh, post credit scene this week


SCKornbread

Thats a alt new york right. (Stark tower to the right?)


JaylieJoy

The New York that Iron Man never stopped the a-bomb in?


HelloAutobot

Perhaps one where Loki won, kinda like a monkey's paw situation?


SmoothBrainSavant

The one reality that loki won, the tva wiped it as use it as a pruned variant dumping ground. No wonder they keep saying Loki’s never win… the tva rigged the whole timeline to guarrantee it.


LastBaron

The TVA rigged the whole timeline to guarantee that SOME Lokis never win. I’m personally on board the Kang-train and have been since episode 1, but in terms of alternate possibilities……finding out that a deranged Loki variant actually got what he wanted and won to control the TVA, but now works hard to prune all his alternate selves like a juiced up version of The Prestige…..that could be interesting too.


jso__

My favorite theory. Especially considering we are getting President Loki in this show.


THEBigHugMugger

It's ironic that they scan variants to automatically destroy robots and the Time Keepers themselves were puppet robots.


boringhistoryfan

Possibly why? A robot could potentially sus the Variant puppets out more easily?


PhoenixSelarom

Time Keepers: Any last words? Robot in the TVA: You are familiar with the thought experiment the Ship of Theseus in the field of identity metaphysics? Ravonna: \*prunes\*


Flabagaf

Don’t think I’ve ever gotten so upset at a tv/movie then the moment they pruned Mobius.


nongzhigao

My jaw just dropped, I just couldn't believe they actually killed him off just like that. ...then of course it turned out that's he's probably just chilling in the penal dimension or whatever.


bjkman

Ravonna Renslayer is one cold-hearted bitch.


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That smirk and "I don't remember." Made me instantly hate her. Edit: Also in hindsight, that name just screams evil.


PhoenixSelarom

Her fucking smile in the elevator with Sylvie. You just know she remembers exactly what happened with Sylvie and just went for the dagger to her heart. Amazing villain and Gugu Mbatha-Raw is killing it.


manuka_canoe

The power tripping from the TVA agents is such a spot-on bit of characterisation considering the organisation they work for. E.g. B15 belittling Loki, controlling him, calling him a cosmic mistake, and then Ravonna pretending like she doesn't remember what Sylvie supposedly did in order to convey how unimportant she supposedly is. Oof.


Ay_Be_

"You know, we brought in Kree, Titans, Vampires." Setting up Blade I see. Really excited for that Marvel project.


OLKv3

I love how they casually drop info like this


valarpizzaeris

Bruh Abomination and a Blade reference all in a week. MCU fans are fucking feasting rn. God bless you Feige you beautiful bastard


Procrastinating-Work

Feige is like the grandma that can’t stop feeding her grandchildren even after they think they’re already full. My stomach is a dark void, never stop feeding me Feige.


valarpizzaeris

Feige's shawarma out here sustaining our life force


haykam821

The audacity of Marvel to do this


Twl1

And we thought last week's cliffhanger was brutal. Next week they're just going to delete all of reality and hang a "To be continued" screen in front of us.


Poked_salad

I was ready to be upset because I thought the cliffhanger was when they went inside the time keepers area lol.


WontonJr

Tom Hiddleston wasn’t kidding when he said this show was going to go in a completely different direction after episode 4. The ending of this episode definitely proved that. Easily the best episode of the series so far. And considering it looks like Loki is alive after being pruned, Mobius still has a chance, right?!?! Fantastic stuff all around.


Teja-Stark

If Mobius doesn’t get to jet ski, I’m going to riot. He has to survive


FaizerLaser

Yea bruh when Mobius was pruned I was so pissed until I saw the post credits scene. I was like bruh my man cannot die before jet skiing again


jacketpotatoo

I just stared at my screen and s e e t h e d. How dare they lie to Owen Wilson


criminalsunrise

Wooow


6Idontknow9

The Time keepers are robots, Mobius gets pruned, Loki gets pruned, there is life after getting pruned, there is a Loki-gator!, not a single event on my Bingo card Can't wait for episode 5 P.s Who the fuck is controlling the TVA I DONT NEED SLEEP I NEED ANSWERS


Dray_Gunn

I am really hoping that the person talking to Loki in that scene was actually the Alligator.


WyattWrites

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Ravonna Renslayer in the comics in love with Kang the Conqueror? Surely they wouldn’t use that name with no tie to that


eceejay

Ravonna also showed absolutely zero surprise that the Time Keepers were androids. I think because she knows exactly who is pulling the strings behind them


jsun31

First mention of actual vampires (*aside from Thor: Ragnarok, that was more of a joke than for lore purposes)! Teasing for Blade


milkbox103

she was literally just playing with toys wtf did she do lol


boringhistoryfan

My theory is that she was putting herself onto a path of being a heroic character. And that was too much of a variation for the TVA. A non-villainous, non-backstabby, potentially trustworthy Loki would throw all kinds of crap into the fan if you think about it. And to me, it speaks volumes about undermining "destiny" and all that. Lokis aren't always fated to be villains maybe, no matter what the will of the TVA is.


nebula561

This actually makes a lot of sense but is also heartbreaking in a way. As someone else said in their comment, she was too kind to be a Loki. It seems that Loki being who he was forced others to be their best selves. But the best version of Loki was a variant. This makes it sound like his destiny was to be the catalyst for others to be their best, but he had to be at his worst (so to speak) for that to be possible. If this is what it is… it’s incredibly poignant.


NotLozerish

Bruh imagine just vibing with your toys and then getting arrested by a bunch of soldiers


Erridemench

Long shot but i think she was arrested for having a good heart. She was playing a “save Asgard” scenario the moment she was arrested. She told the tva cops to help the variant in pain. If being a “Loki” in the sacred timeline means that it has to be a villain, an antagonist to a hero, she was on the wrong path. (She also knew she was adopted and grew healthy at the time having that information)


BreathingCorpse252

Damn! I think you've got it right. She also looked really worried about the other variant and wanted to help him. Besides it's tied up perfectly with Loki's "born to cause pain" identity crisis. Also, note how the "I need a hero" was played when we first saw Slyvie fight.


bobert_the_grey

I loved Mobius's line to Loki about being whatever he wants "because I don't think you've heard that enough"


KingChickenSandwich

Bro when Renslayer said she forgot what Nexus Event made them take Sylvie with a smile my blood boiled. Renslayer deserves to be slayed.


Procrastinating-Work

She’s fucking Kang the Conqueror. Literally.


oppai_taberu

Is she having sex with him or she is him?


_illegallity

Having sex


a-326

the way the tva lady smirked makes me think that sylvie got declared a variant bc she decided to play smth differently with her toys


17xandcountingstill

Another timeline Loki is holding alligator loki. WTF


MelonElbows

I'd like to see the TVA try to capture an adult alligator Loki like Steve Irwin.


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a-326

i cannot belive this. i expected kid loki bc they for sure will do young avengers but COMIC LOKI? sadly i don't know the 3rd person but there is also alligator loki???


tanoathome

Alligator Loki must be an enemy of Throg lol


Kallasilya

The Adventures of Throg and Alligator Loki. Omg I never knew I could want something so ridiculous so badly.


Gogbr

3rd character was identified in the credits as "boastful loki"


The_Unknown98

Sylvie with 3 guards meanwhile Loki has only 2. “By the way, I should have an equal amount of security. This is insulting!” Classic Loki. Sylvie probably thinking that this isn’t about him.


smarties07

These Mobius and Loki divorce proceedings :(


guyver423

lol old man Loki in the comic classic costume. And wtf alligator Loki


nillagucci

Mobius talking about that goddamn JETSKI! Shit man GET THIS MAN A JET SKI ALREADY.


PurpleCyborg28

Anyone else noticed the callback to [Avengers](https://imgur.com/a/NgNHVAo)? In Avengers, after failing in his conquest, New York is saved, and he wakes up to a dude crouching while pointing an arrow at him, a dude holding a hammer, and 100-year old senior just standing there. Now up after failing another quest, New York is in ruins, and he is 'saved' by versions of him in similar poses.


Emerald_Frost

Mobius is forcing this romance hard, he might as well be a twitter shipper.


MelonElbows

When considering the age old question of whether you'd fight or fuck your clone, Loki chose both


Dlh2079

Because, of course they would. They're Loki


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“Maybe I had a jet ski.” He has to come back.


Xhepholys

Calling it now, Mobius always figures out the truth of the TVA. Renslayer then prunes him and brings him back with a freshly scrambled brain. Her treasures from her other ‘favorite analyst’ are actually all from previous versions of Mobius.


17xandcountingstill

Now I know why tom said this was one of his favorite episode. Cant wait for 5


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trmbnplyr1993

This comment says so little, yet so much. The end credit scene is something completely out of left field and this episode did not go the way I expected.


NobodysToast

It looks like the post-credit scene is in New York cause you see Stark Tower. Perhaps this is a reality where he beat the avengers and took over earth in 2012


jsun31

RIP Mobius, he didn't deserve this for discovering the truth Edit: If Loki is alive, does everyone else that was pruned survive as well? Guess we'll find out next week


agentup

I started suspecting pruning wasn’t death. It made no sense to bring people to trial. So really the trial is to determine if they are good subjects to work at the tva or be discarded in what’s essentially a garbage dump timeline


chuckxbronson

the Time Keepers reminded me of [these guys](https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_tradefederation_01_169_4d5122ac.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=768) lol. very glad they turned out to not be real. here comes Kang🤞🤞🤞


TylerOrtega1500

Now that... THAT was an episode for the ages right there! I’m truly awe-struck because I have zero clue where the show is gonna go next, and that has me so damn excited!!


TheSweatband

So now Owen Wilson is a wingman trying to get these two crazy Loki’s together, love that for him. Hope he gets his one true love, a Jetski Edit: I’d sad now, look what they’ve done to my boy!


meanstreetposse

What the actual fuck is that post credit scene!?! Richard E Grant is a future Loki. A kid Loki and a Black Thor with a MENTAL looking Mjolnir. Amazing!


TheSweatband

Man the judge is being harsh to Möbius about the first Loki escaping considering Sylvie escaped under her watch as a kid


Willing-Principle

Made me laugh aloud when a grown ass lady let a kid get away, she just stood there too when sylvie was gloating for a few seconds before booking it


Petersaber

That's probably why


TylerOrtega1500

The one other detail I forgot to mention that hit me like a pile of bricks was Owen Wilson’s spectacular performance before giving his final speech about going back to his previous life. It’s amazing how in just 4 episodes, I’ve cared more about Mobius as a character than a lot of others in the MCU TV Series’s. I’m HOPING we get to see him again (which I’m pretty sure we will) and to see him (for the love of all that is holy) ride that goddamn jet-ski! My heart needs this.


baconlord906

Him trying to pry information from Ravonna in her office felt so realistic, great performance from both of them!