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What's your view on honey and other natural sweeteners like maple syrup and agave?

What's your view on honey and other natural sweeteners like maple syrup and agave?

mutantenzyme

Yes, these are high-calorie sweeteners. While natural, they can be bad for the teeth. Also, honey is naturally high in fructose, so it triggers my IBS. In terms of my IBS symptoms, sugar is a better choice for me than honey because I'm sensitive to fructose. Agave is high in fructose, too. Maple syrup is not.


Dreamsnake

Thanks this explains alot


Brian_Lefevre_90013

I had no idea fructose could trigger IBS. Does that mean a lot of fruit is no bueno? I also hadn't considered the effect on teeth.


mutantenzyme

Various kinds of fruits (including apples, pears, peaches, and prunes) can trigger IBS symptoms). The ability to tolerate fruit may depend on multiple factors including the type of fruit, the quantity that is consumed in a sitting, and the individual's sensitivity to fructose. For example, drinking four ounces of orange juice might be OK, but drinking sixteen ounces of orange juice might be trouble. Limiting the total number of daily servings of fruit may be helpful for some people with IBS.


Acaibowl365

I am also sensitive to fructose just wanted to let you know I feel for you


mutantenzyme

Thank you. Unlike most people with IBS, I also am very sensitive to citric acid, so I must avoid citrus fruits and pineapple. Another unusual sensitivity of mine that is not a classic IBS issue is any type of seeds, including fruits that contain tiny seeds.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Seems like a lot of things contain citric acid or ascorbic acid as a natural preservative


mutantenzyme

Yes, definitely. I actually react badly to both of those, which is very problematic. Fortunately, I am able to take vitamin C in the form of calcium ascorbate, which seems to be a good alternative to unbuffered ascorbic acid. Due to my sensitivities, I cannot get enough vitamin C from dietary sources.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

This must be very challenging.


shestandssotall

You're awesome for these explantions for us! I have Crohn's and have been following a Crohns diet, pretty easy to do, basically no prepared foods, but the fruit limitations, oh my I had no idea how much it would help!!! I didn't realise why some fruits were problematic so this helps me understand why. Thanks.


mutantenzyme

Honey and agave may be tolerated in very small amounts. [https://foodisgood.com/low-fodmap-label-reading/](https://foodisgood.com/low-fodmap-label-reading/)


big_face_killah

I don't think it does. I think the oligosaccharides in the FODMAP diet are what may trigger IBS. isolated fructose does not seem to have this effect even though it is included


LeGreatToucan

What would be common symptoms of IBS ( I could look it up but you probably have more insight) ? How do you get diagnosed with IBS ?


mutantenzyme

IBS is a functional digestive disorder in which the involuntary smooth muscles of the digestive tract fail to function normally even though they may appear perfectly normal, with no detectable abnormalities in the anatomical structures. Intestinal symptoms are intestinal cramping, gas/bloating, and diarrhea and/or constipation. Other symptoms may include insomnia, non-cardiac chest pain, nausea, increased urinary frequency and urgency, acid reflux, and - in some cases - a sensation of difficulty swallowing. It is pretty common for people with IBS to have gastro-esophageal reflux disease (GERD) as well. Diagnosis of IBS is typically a matter of excluding other conditions that potentially could cause the same symptoms. I was misdiagnosed and ultimately had to self-diagnose. I have IBS-Constipation (IBS-C), the constipation-predominant subtype. IBS-Diarrhea (IBS-D), the diarrhea-predominant subtype, is the opposite of what I have. Some people alternate between constipation and diarrhea- that's IBS-Mixed (IBS-M) or IBS-Alternating (IBS-A). Some people think that they have IBS but just have food intolerances. I have both. I had the very worst symptoms from gluten and dairy. However, even on a gluten-free, dairy-free diet, I still have IBS symptoms. Sadly, there can be a lot of different trigger foods. Common IBS triggers include garlic and onion and artificial sweeteners such as xylitol and mannitol. The low-FODMAP diet is recommended but doesn't work for everyone with IBS. Some triggers may be specific to each individual. You can learn more in r/FODMAPS and r/ibs. There are supportive people who understand the struggles of this condition.


paradach5

I have ibs-c, gerd, and lactose intolerance as well. I can do yoghurt, as long as it's greek yoghurt, and I'm mostly ok with citrus fruits...what causes my flare ups is too much fiber. Salads, breads, green leafy veg, and a few days later my gut is in trouble. Miralax and ducosate don't work very well, either. Switched my diet to finally lose the excess weight I've been carrying for years, and it's certainly been a challenge. Thanks for the links!


mutantenzyme

By the way, I also follow r/Constipation and r/ConstipationAdvice but some of this advice may need to be disregarded by you and me, as it may not be right for IBS-C. IBS-C differs from the Chronic Idiopathic Constipation (CIC) that I used to have.


mutantenzyme

You're welcome. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I can't eat any dairy, even if it is lactose free, because milk protein is such a major constipation trigger for me. I also have trouble with too much fiber. I try to avoid added fiber (cellulose, inulin, bran, psyllium, etc.), since I'm particularly sensitive to it (even if it's a tiny amount). I haven't had salad or bread in many years. It's rough. Right now I'm wondering if the Milk of Magnesia that I took earlier today is ever going to work. Best of luck!


Brian_Lefevre_90013

My ex had IBS and was lactose intolerant. She was sensitive to all kinds of foods. Off the top of my head popcorn and most dairy gave her major issues. She was fine with the yogurt but that's because the lactose changes when yogurt is made or something. Probably just keep food diary and see what gives you bathroom issues, and then talk to a doctor. https://www.healthline.com/health/digestive-health/foods-to-avoid-with-ibs#caffeinated-drinks My ex also had chronic migraines so lots of foods gave her different issues, but cheese almost always gave her #3.


ChocBrew

imo, the nutritional content and possible "holistic properties" of sweeteners shouldn't matter much since you're relying on other foods for the bulk of your nutrients and you're using sweeteners sparingly and/or occasionally. On the other hand, not consuming them in moderation basically defeats the purpose of any claimed benefit.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

>On the other hand, not consuming them in moderation basically defeats the purpose of any claimed benefit. It's like people who drink 3+ glasses of wine a day because they read one glass of wine has health benefits.


alenam10

These people are called *alcoholics*. Source: I was one hahahha


Brian_Lefevre_90013

I am one


cgsur

Been there. Any drink after first one ain’t helping, and everyday sucks. Hugs.


Ferdjrsen

Get better friend


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Sober 4 years


ChocBrew

exactly


butt_puppet_

If I want to sweeten anything at all like oat meal or peanut sauce, I use maple syrup. It’s expensive though so I don’t use a lot, far less than what recipes call for in sugar. I think some recipes would be pointless without a little sweetness. I started doing this because I wanted to cut down on refined and processed foods as much as possible. Plus maple syrup is really yummy.


toxik0n

I'm so thankful I live in Canada and have such great access to maple syrup. There are a bunch of annual "all you can eat pancake" festivals around here where you pay $10 and each table has a few huge jugs of pure, local maple syrup you can use at your leisure. When a friend from Japan visited his mind was *blown*. Of course it's not super healthy to eat a ton of pancakes, maple syrup and pork sausages... but as an annual treat it's really awesome.


FenderD3

Try Glycine for a healthy low-calorie alternative.


Heroine4Life

Glycine has calories (~4 Cals/g) Your nutrition label may say 0, in a similar way that a tick tack has 0 calories and is all sugar


FenderD3

Ah yes my bad. Point is it is actually healthy instead of sugar.


Gbud350

Monk fruit. I love honey... but the only difference between it and sugar, is a little bit of minerals.


doingmyokayest

I’d definitely rather have natural sweeteners like you mentioned instead of high fructose corn syrup, etc. But I also wouldn’t consider them healthy. Just a better alternative that serves the same purpose.


ilessthanthreekarate

I would strongly disagree with this. Most maple syrup, agave nectar, and even honey is processed, sometimes very processed. The treatment of heating and preparing the sweeteners changes the structure such that it is not very different from your artifical sweeteners. The word "natural" in no way guarantees health, and is often a trick used in marketing. Know your source and know how it is processed. As a final example, agave nectar to be allowed in the US has stringent health requirements for heating and processing to be considered safe, and this makes it no better than your high fructose corn syrup.


10Hz_human

Any sources?


Dotlinefever4

Agave is made using the same process that they use to make high fructose corn syrup. Discovered that doing some research into hfcs manufacturing processes for work. Was quite disappointed to learn that.


facingnortheast

Sugar is sugar, regardless of source, and is high-calorie. I try to avoid the "good" and "bad" designations because it entirely depends on your health concerns and the quantity you're consuming, but honey and agave definitely have health halos.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

I prefer the terms "health improving" and "health reducing," but also consider a person's health and wellness goals. My mom was trying to defend honey because "Dr Oz said it was super healthy." I said if your goal is to lose weight honey it's not going to help you do that it's like a pure carbohydrate. I would also guess it might not be great for type 2 diabetics.


Norva

Agave and honey have loads of sugar. I think any distinctions are overblown. The key is don't eat too much. At the end of the day the problem with soda is that it is 35 - 40 grams of sugar. The other issue is the lack of fiber. Fruits are great because while they have sugar you are consuming sugar with fiber.


toxik0n

Maple syrup stands out as having actual notable nutrients. >Around 1/3 cup (80 ml) of pure maple syrup contains (2): >Calcium: 7% of the RDI >Potassium: 6% of the RDI >Iron: 7% of the RDI >Zinc: 28% of the RDI >Manganese: 165% of the RDI https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/maple-syrup#nutrition


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Well that's a lot more nutrients than I expected. However... That serving size of syrup contains 200 calories. When I was a kid I would eat copious amounts of syrup with pancakes.


toxik0n

Yep, maple syrup is certainly not a "low-calorie" food, haha! But when I need something a little sweet it's the usual sweetener I reach for. Molasses, especially black-strap (which can be too bitter to be used as a sweetener), is also quite high in nutrients.


around_other_side

just to note this is 100% real maple syrup


Brian_Lefevre_90013

I scratch my head at the zero calorie maple syrup like what kind of Frankenstein's monster of a food is this?


OdinTheBogan

I think their great but not all the time. I’m a sprinter and the only time I’ve ever eaten honey was just before or after a race/ intense workout. Honey is basically just fast burning carbs so it’s awesome if you need a quick kick that can be fastly absorbed and digested. Would I recommend eating honey just as an everyday thing. Nope. Is it a great natural sweetener that contains a lot of calories but can be useful, yep.


OdranoelCavonerd

I used to take one or two scoops of honey and one banana before footbal game and I still think it helped a lot in my performance overall


blue0mermaid

Sugar is sugar. Your body still metabolizes it as sugar. Blue agave has the same content as high fructose corn syrup.


mwb213

Sugar is sugar.


RenewablesAeroponics

Wrong. This logic would mean fruit and candy are on the same level.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Fructose is fructose is fructose. Candy is sweetened from fructose made from corn. The difference between fruit and candy is not the fructose. The difference is fruit contains fiber which slows how fast the body absorbs the fructose, and thus affects the glycemic load. Also the nutrients in fruit reduce the glycemic load (supposedly in ways we don't quite understand). From what I've read, pre-diabetics and type 2 diabetics could likely gain from avoiding fruit high in sugar like watermelon, grapes, tropical fruit, and especially dried fruit. I have a family member who can only eat 8 grapes at a time because of the effect on his blood sugar.


Pfflutter

Actually, diabetics who consumed grapes had a much better handle on their sugar than those that didn't. Even though grapes are pretty high in sugar. Ditto on watermelon. It's tropical fruit that should be eaten in moderation, such as mango and guava.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

How can raising your blood sugar put a better handle on your sugar? I'm seriously asking.


Pfflutter

Resveratrol found in grapes, modulates how the body secretes and uses insulin.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Yeah I've read that too. I wonder if the Resveratrol becomes more or less effective in the process of making wine. If not eat the grapes, not drink the alcohol.


Pfflutter

Derived sugar (maple syrup) and derived sugar (sugar from sugar cane) is all the same. Fruit and candy are totally different. Fruit suspends its sugar in a fiber matrix, which slows the absorption waaayyy down. It's a great low cal, filling snack. And I am not even getting into vitamins, minerals or phy to phytonutrients that you can only get from plant food. And for the record, maple syrup is maple "juice" cooked down with sugar to get it to be the way it is. It's not like stuck a straw into a maple and syrup came out.


NeverAnon

Seems like an oversimplification, Im no expert but my understanding is that sucrose (like what you would obtain from sugar cane) is a disaccharide containing a glucose molecule bound to a fructose molecule. I think many other derived sugars are not sucrose Now whether the ratio of glucose to fructose and the way it's chemically bonded actually matters, I do not know


RenewablesAeroponics

My bad I wasn’t even paying attention I just saw “sugar is sugar” after I started getting “glucose is bad” vibes from the Neanderthal’s in chat saying all forms of sugar aren’t so good for you.


Many_Laugh1377

It’s called nutrient timing everyone, fructose is a excellent source of medium chain glucose. Ideal for pre and post caloric exertion. No need to demonize fructose, just consume it at ideal times. That’s all, carry on


Sinsyxx

CICO. IIFYM. Food timing is only helpful if it makes it easier for you to hit your numbers. It's not even worth considering for the vast majority of the population.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Yeah I'm not a marathon runner who can strategically enjoy a Snickers bar in the middle of a competition for that added boost.


Many_Laugh1377

So eating 2000 calories 1 hour b4 bed is the same as consuming 2000 over a 12 hour period?


Sinsyxx

Yes. You will gain or lose weight at exactly the same rate. You may feel terrible so I wouldn't necessarily suggest it. Also, you might have a hard time stomaching the correct macros if you try to eat them all within an hour. Feel free to check out OMAD (One Meal A Day). It's a timing strategy that helps people reduce calorie consumption by limiting the window they eat in.


Many_Laugh1377

Interesting, I would say that weight gain or lose is not the pinnacle of health though. Digesting all essential macro and micro nutrients in a single meal is wouldn’t be a efficient method of absorption. Nor would it be optimal in promoting proper metabolic health. Differences in methodology, if this works for people by all means. But I’d say the general population would have a more difficult time adapting to a single meal per day. I’ll look into OMAD methodologies and get back to you.


Sinsyxx

I agree that weight is not the pinnacle of health, but it's the first 50% or more. By following CICO and IIFYM over time, the chances of other health risks are reduced significantly.


leaife

Eating only once a day would be bad for your teeth and gums, and indirectly many other aspects just from the effects of that on your body and brain. And that's just one issue. Teeth and gum health are vital to your physical and mental health. Chewing regularly with the molars is also (preventatively) good for your mental health and physical brain health. We have herbivore teeth for a reason. We're not designed to feed once intermittently, but to browse. Next thing you'll be telling us it's just as healthy to smash your food up and suck it through a straw, or drink it, because "nutrients".


Sinsyxx

I certainly didn't invent IF or OMAD, but they are options to help people reduce overeating if their prone to doing so. Feel free to do some research on why people use them and the results they have. Chewing gum is one 0 calorie option for people who use "eating windows". Eating and not brushing immediately after is almost certainly worse for your teeth than eating less frequently. What you're describing already exists through meal replacement shakes and juicers. I don't personally use either, but again, they exist for people who have a good use for them. Often things like "Ensure" are recommended by doctors for people who have trouble eating enough nutrients in traditional ways.


leaife

You're advertising a risky and inefficient diet for the purpose of reducing calories, something which can be done more effectively and safely by addressing proper areas in diet, lifestyle, mentality, and self control. I get it, everyone loves a quick fix. But it's irresponsible to tout this as a "good, effective way" without communicating the ill effects; but you can't do that if you don't understand them. I honestly don't care about out of context diet results, as they merely advertise how much better someone feels before the long-term effects show themselves (and sadly, often aren't even correctly attributed to that -- thankfully we have scientific studies to warn us). What I'm talking about is health, mental health, long-term health and benefits. You didn't even take a minute to research what I'm talking about before smashing that down button and hiding actually helpful information. ​ >Often things like "Ensure" are recommended by doctors for people who have trouble eating enough nutrients in traditional ways. Of course it's better than not eating. But the mid- to long-term effects are a tradeoff. Higher risk of mental health issues and diseases (such as Parkinson's, dementia) as a tradeoff for not dying of starvation or the rolling ball effects of malnutrition. And that's just an example from *one* of the issues I'm referring to. Most people don't want that tradeoff unless it were necessary, and I doubt anyone reading this would want it without knowing, because you're advertising something (a specific diet) that doesn't tell them and is under no obligation to do so.


Many_Laugh1377

Also CICO doesn’t account for arterial health, cholesterol levels, insulin regulation, etc. All of which if not monitored lead to early morbidity in humans.


Sinsyxx

Absolutely true. And for the small portion of the population who need to track those things, they should be discussing options with their doctor. However, proper nutrition over time helps to prevent heart and insulin issues in the first place, so CICO does help with those issues over the long run.


Many_Laugh1377

Healthy lifestyle and weight loss are different in my eyes. You can have weight loss and be terribly unhealthy. Consumption timing of nutrient dense, non processed foods and other lifestyle modifications will lead to health as well as weight loss if an individual is overweight.


ENTROPY501

so pre and post caloric exertion are the only ideal times to eat fruit?


Many_Laugh1377

Fruit, depending on the variety is typical high on the glycemic index (especially tropical fruits). Def ideal pre and post exertion


Heroine4Life

Wtf is 'medium chain glucose'. I swear the quality on this sub drops everyday, just mashing terms together in a random fucking order with 0 basis in reality.


Many_Laugh1377

Hey buddy, hope you’re having a good day! 👌


SnortAnthrax

Sugar is absolutely not sugar. Refined sugar versus raw sugar are processed totally differently by your body and contain different nutrients


blue0mermaid

Any “nutrients” in these sugar products are not worth it. Sucrose and glucose are bad, fructose is worse.


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Idontfukncare6969

If you really want to get lost in the details. The liver (where it is exclusively broken down unlike other sugars) has a finite amount of the enzyme required to break down fructose compared to other forms of sugar. Practically speaking this really isn’t a concern though (without the presence of a calorie surplus). Even then you are way better off getting your sugar from fruit than processed forms


MyNameIsSkittles

Your body processes sugar the same. Doesn't matter the source. If you want to limit sugar you need to limit all sugar consumption


SnortAnthrax

[this is verifiably false.](https://nutrition.org/sugars-created-equal-lets-talk-fructose-metabolism/#:~:text=If%20excess%20glucose%20is%20consumed,uptake%20of%20fructose%20(3))


Triabolical_

Your body processes fructose differently than glucose, and therefore the fructose/glucose of what you are eating matters.


MyNameIsSkittles

[The human body does not differentiate between naturally occurring sugars and those that are added to foods. The metabolism of all carbohydrates follows the same pathway, yielding the core monosaccharides as the end result.](https://share.upmc.com/2019/03/are-all-sugars-the-same/)


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MyNameIsSkittles

Because of the fiber and nutrients It's still sugar tho and your body treats it the same. But ya know, keep downvoting without a better reference source


Triabolical_

That unfortunately is incorrect. If you look at the diagram [here](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Metabolic-steps-accounting-for-a-lower-efficiency-of-fructose-compared-to-glucose_fig1_255950799), you'll notice two things... First, the glucose and fructose pathways are different. And second, the fructose pathway is predominantly available in the liver, while the glucose pathway is available everywhere.


RenewablesAeroponics

Just wrong…


Brian_Lefevre_90013

Fructose is hard on your liver. There have been cases of children being diagnosed with fatty liver disease because of copious amount of sugar consumption. Previously, it was thought the only cause of fatty liver disease was a decades of excessive alcohol abuse (alcohol is also processed in the liver). Eating an orange is not going to be too hard on your liver because the fiber and the time it takes to eat the orange significantly slow down how fast your body can absorb the fructose. However a 10 oz glass of orange juice contains about four oranges with 0 fiber. A person can slam this glass of orange juice in like 10 seconds and this is a lot of fructose to have all at once and will likely spike their blood sugar. Even ignoring the lack of fiber it would take way longer to sit down and eat 4 oranges. Ounce for ounce, orange juice has as many calories as coca cola and as many grams of sugar. However, the glycemic load on coke is higher because Coke has no nutrients and contains processed sugar. But this doesn't mean the glycemic load on orange juice is low by any means especially considering the suggested serving size is 8 oz and people probably typically consume 10 -16 oz.


Ihavenoidea209

Yes, it is largely exaggerated (the nutritional properties especially) and tbh it’s a marketing ploy like with “superfoods”. Flavours are somewhat different so just choose what you prefer.


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Just gunna say if you think 10g of sugar from honey will affect you different than say table sugar or maple syrup.. it won't.. sugar is sugar really.


big_face_killah

They are very tasty. They definitely contain calories. Thats ok as long as you don't eat way more than you need


ima420r

All I know is that cough syrups don't do much of anything, but honey actually helps.


DrFreeze65

I personally love raw honey. Raw honey has been used as a folk remedy throughout history and has a variety of health benefits and medical uses. It’s even used in some hospitals as a treatment for wounds. Many of these health benefits are specific to raw or unpasteurized honey. Most of the honey you find in grocery stores is pasteurized. The high heat kills unwanted yeast, can improve the color and texture, removes any crystallization, and extends the shelf life. Many of the beneficial nutrients are also destroyed in the process. Raw honey is a good source of antioxidants. It contains an array of plant chemicals that act as antioxidants. Some types of honey have as many antioxidants as fruits and vegetables. Antioxidants help to protect your body from cell damage due to free radicals. Free radicals contribute to the aging process and may also contribute to the development of chronic diseases such as cancer and heart disease. Research shows that antioxidant compounds in honey called polyphenols may play a role in preventing heart disease. Raw honey also has antibacterial and antifungal properties. Research has shown that raw honey can kill unwanted bacteria and fungus. It naturally contains hydrogen peroxide, an antiseptic. Its effectiveness as an antibacterial or antifungal varies depending on the honey, but it’s clearly more than a folk remedy for these kinds of infections.


Marcools

Thanks for that explanation. well needed


Icy_Ad2505

They taste dope and historically were referred to as the nectar of the gods


Alfredsmith70

If you're really concerned about your calorie intake, try using Stevia, it is natural and it does not contain calories, you can even use it when you're fasting. It does not break your fast.


ritzavocracker

i dont know much but i’ve heard agave is pretty terrible, as in, not much better than high fructose syrup in terms of fructose content. honey has a plus side in that it’s anti bacterial. maple syrup has low fructose i believe. but theyre all still sugar, still bad. i usually use a little bit maple syrup/honey once a week or so in my matcha or smoothies. otherwise, i avoid sweeteners.


proka_ro

They're all almost the same. It's sugar.


blacktongue

Don't know if this matters, but you have a better chance of directly supporting the producer when you buy maple syrup or honey vs. sugar or agave. Limited processing means low startup costs.


Arturiki

Avoid except a very special occasion.


Wide-Acanthisitta-96

Like 2 pm.


1gardenerd

Or 2 am.


socratessecret

They’re still categorised as free sugars


ethanduce99

Good but watch the fructose intake ( limit to 50g / day )


Joseph_Ries

Your body knows how to deal with raw honey better than proccessed white sugar


Hyperelaxed

Honey got some good stuff tho


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So I have no science to back me up because I normally decide these things by trial and error. I know sugar, coconut sugar give me a flare of some sort of allergy I have (somehow ends up in sinusitis-like symptoms), so I eliminated them. Both of those OR fructose OR concentrated juices leave me feeling super weird, like I suddenly can't live without them. This may be because I eliminated sugar completely (even in ingredients of bought non-sweet things), but yeah, I once bought a pack of concentrated juice and afterwards I just kept chugging more and more, barely stopped this nonsense. None of that happens with agave syrup or honey. One of the best indicators for myself is that when I eat those, I can go days without them and not crave them, and after I eat those, natural sweets like fruits still taste sweet enough to me. And if I don't eat other stuff that makes me gain weight (like wheat flour for example, substituting it with spelt) agave syrup never made me gain any, even if I literally eat half a pack or even a pack a day. Although I am super prone to gaining weight. Haven't checked this with honey specifically but I switched to it a few months ago (cause agave is too expensive haha) and seems to work the same way as agave syrup. I do have to say that I have digestive issues now and I've read online somewhere that this can happen because of a lot of agave syrup. Don't know if it's true. But I also have literally a ton of other factors that could be causing my digestive issues at the moment.


Fair_Carrot5342

Honey is a natural sweetener. High in sugar and calories but just don't use much...also, it is good for wounds. Antimicrobial.


TigerMcPherson

They're delicious.


someguy3

I agree exaggerated. It's still sugar through and through.


clintecker

they are sugar, i treat them like sugar and avoid them


Dread_Pirate_Jack

There are great studies out there on the glycemic index of certain sweeteners. Raw agave has the lowest glycemic index (glycemic index is the amount that foods raise your insulin/blood sugar in a short amount of time) out of the ones you mentioned. Agave syrup on the other hand has a high glycemic index and is basically like any other sugar and syrups. They are equivalent to corn syrup on how they affect your health. They might cause a little less inflammation, because our gut is very irritated by corn, but it can still cause obesity and diabetes if used regularly.


shaneedlin99

Sugarcane is a natural sweetener isnt it? It definitely isnt made in a lab


FenderD3

Glycine is an underrated sweetener.


22ananya

They're all equally as bad.


JustAStick

There really is no huge difference between honey, maple syrup, high fructose corn syrup, or any other sugary sweetener. It all breaks down essentially the same and your body will use it all the same. The thing about high fructose corn syrup is that it’s in everything so it’s very easy to consume too much sugar, but there isn’t much difference between a jam with sugar and a jam with corn syrup.


Pennypenngo

I have been experimenting with Monk Fruit lately because it’s low carb and zero calorie. Not sure about any health benefits (I don’t eat enough of it that it would mean anything), but it pretty much tastes the same as sugar.


thesongofstorms

> I've read the nutritional content and holistic properties of these things is largely exaggerated. Yep. Honey/agave are basically just fructose and should be consumed in moderation, like other sweeteners.


official_koda_

I don’t consider honey or agave high calorie, but I definitely avoid maple syrup unless using with pancakes. For things like oatmeal I’ll use a little bit of honey or stevia/Splenda.


bootswiththefur-

This is all new information to me given the fact that I always thought agave was a better substitution for any other type of sweetener like honey or sugar. I try to limit my sugar intake since I have been diagnosed with cancer twice but genuine question -what is a better route? I heard of monk fruit and stevia but I’m still not sure which one outweighs the other.


Brian_Lefevre_90013

It all depends on what your health and wellness goals are. If a person wants to lose weight then honey, maple syrup, and agave probably will work against that. I tried to get my cousin to switch to stevia but it gave him an upset stomach. There seems to be more and more studies correlating artificial sweeteners with various health problems so I just stay away from them. I had been trying sugar alcohols but they kind of make me feel sick to my stomach sometimes. It seems a lot of people are switching to stevia, monk fruit, and sugar alcohols as far better substitutes to sugar and artificial sweeteners. I drink flavored seltzer water without any type of added sweetener, and other than that I don't eat foods that require a sweetener. I don't really know anything when it comes to foods and cancer. One of my counselors had thyroid cancer and went on a pretty strict diet. All I remember is she gave up gluten and sugar, and switch to plant-based. She made a full recovery but said now she has sensitivities to sugar, gluten, and dairy.


Toolongreadanyway

Still sugar. And frankly I end up using twice as much for half the sweetness. I do use honey in my tea when I have a cold or allergy attack. Especially local honey. Honey has some antibiotic properties plus if it is local, it contains local pollen that helps your body fight the allergies. At least this is what I have been told.


cotat241

To an extent yes. Honey has small amounts of antioxidants and can have a tiny amount of pollen which can help reduce allergic reactions apparently. Don't expect miracles. As it is sweeter thanks to fructose you can use a smaller amount of it yet still taste the sweetness. It isn't inherently healthy but has its uses. Sugar also has pros and cons so it's about balancing it for your own diet. Personally I don't eat sugar but may occasionally have a small amount of honey.


LoadOfMeeKrob

Date sugar (ground dates) and blackstrap molasses are the two sweeteners that are actually good for you. I personally wouldn't use anything else.