By - IshmaelTheWonderGoat
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Your experience is pretty par for the course as far as it seems to go for most. My husband who has zero chronic issues and is super healthy was knocked on his butt following his second Moderna shot. I managed to have only some localized soreness at the injection site and fatigue after the second. My dad and sister both got Pfizer and dealt with symptoms more like yours. My best friend got Johnson & Johnson and was miserable for 3-4 days but after that hasn’t had any prolonged issues. The symptoms you experienced seem to correlate to good immune response but I do know dealing with it can be alarming.
It’s also important to note that there is a [fairly significant risk](https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91101) of severe acute pancreatitis with active covid infection. There definitely is [growing evidence](https://www.mdedge.com/gihepnews/article/228290/pancreas-and-biliary-tract/mounting-data-support-covid-19-acute) that covid carries a heavy risk to the GI system as a whole but pancreatitis is especially concerning and the severity of AP with covid is aggressive and quite significant.
There is [one documented case](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34084669/) of acute pancreatitis following vaccination and a few unproven, unconnected episodes of AP listed in forums but not a lot of direct evidence.
It does seem to appear as if the biggest risk to the pancreas is from active covid infection but I HIGHLY recommend patients discuss this issue with their providers and weigh that discussion higher than anecdotal evidence found with anonymous and potentially biased online forums. Additionally, as a mod, I just want to remind everyone to keep any discussion polite, respectful and to use proper sources wherever possible. It’s important to remember we all have different experiences.
ETA: There’s also [this study](https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-09-00576/article_deploy/vaccines-09-00576.pdf) which does provide evidence for a second episode of acute pancreatitis following covid vaccination as well as 1 episode of AP and 1 episode of obstructive pancreatitis in 38,000 study participants from Pfizer. It still seems to be safer to get the vaccine than not in regards to the pancreas but, again, I highly recommend addressing any concerns with your doctors as well all carry different risk factors.
ETA 2: I appreciate OP for bringing up this discussion as i do think it’s important to keep up with the most recent issues and risks as pancreatic patients.
Yes both shots of Pfizer gave me episodes of pancreatitis. Even though the docs said it wasn’t possible
Did you get laboratory confirmation of that at least? Because if you have a correlational link then it should be submitted. Just because it’s apparently incredibly rare and any evidence would be very helpful for research and advocacy.
Yes I had elevated lipase and liver enzymes when I showed up at the ER both times after both shots
Was it immediate? Or take time? Was your lipase elevated to a usually high level like typical acute pancreatitis or just higher than normal? What was the explanation if they said it wasn’t from the vaccine? Was it just the Er that seemed unconcerned or your specialist as well?
It was like 24 hours after the shot and my lipase was like 600 which is 6 times higher than normal. And yes the ER docs were concerned and primary care too
Thank you for sharing! Given how rare this complication seems to be I’m surprised that no one took the time to write it up. I would still hope someone would at least submit it to [VAERS](https://aredcircle.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2021-01-The-Vaccine-Adverse-Event-Reporting-System-VAERS-Results-Form-sml.pdf) given that you’re reporting two separate events in one individual and the 4 documented correlational events only occurred following one shot. It’s always interesting to hear the experiences of others!
Interesting. I don't think I'd not get the 2nd jab, but if I'm not feeling great, I'll possibly discuss postponement with my doc until I get the low hobgoblins under control, given this info.
I ended up postponing my second shot a week because I woke up with a fever the morning I was scheduled. My only concern for you is how far out you are from your first shot. My understanding and posted [vaccine schedule](https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-happens-if-you-miss-your-second-covid-vaccine/) info seems to indicate your second jab should be 21 days after the first for Pfizer and 28 for Moderna. You can extend that at least a week from personal experience but seems to be up to 42 days. I would definitely double check this info with your doctor though just because I would hate for your immune response be less than expected or for you to need a third jab as a booster for some reason. If your timeline was exaggerated and it’s only been the 21 days then ignore my caution lol.
>My only concern for you is how far out you are from your first shot.
Thanks for the concern, but I'm up in Canada. I guess we use metric time or time passes more slowly up here, or something, so a minimum of 8 weeks here! And I'm right at 8 weeks. I'm on Newfoundland, where incidence has been *very* low, 7 deaths so far out of only 1400 cases, so I'm not super worried, and it looks like we might achieve herd immunity soon, with about 77% (85% of over 12's) having had at least 1 jab, atm. (We may not, if the 12 week gap is rubbish, we'll see!)
Gotcha! I didn’t realize the recommendations were so different across the countries! Thank you for sharing thst!
Comes down to educated guesswork & political maneuvering at the highest levels, really, doesn't it? At first it was 4 weeks, then 12, now at least 8. Up here the goal was to try and get at least one jab in everyone's arm, and there were initially supply issues. Now there's lots of vaccine so they've lowered the time interval for the second jab. We seem to be doing OK in Canada atm, though, especially NL.
I had some small pains after the first shot that felt like recovering from my acute attack felt more than like an actual attack. But for the second shot I made sure to be really hydrated leading up to and after it, and that one went much better.
>I made sure to be really hydrated
I'll try that, thanks!
As anecdotal evidence, I had Moderna and had an allergic reaction. Otherwise, after the 2nd shot I was in bed with flu like symptoms for 2 days, then I was fine. No ap. For what it is worth, I personally would hesitate to get the vaccine if my amia symptoms were severe and out of control, but I encourage you to talk to your doc.
thanks for sharing!