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[The Athletic] LUFC have made an approach to sign CFC midfielder Conor Gallagher on loan. CPFC are also interested in the 21-year-old - Chelsea are not entertaining permanent bids.

[The Athletic] LUFC have made an approach to sign CFC midfielder Conor Gallagher on loan. CPFC are also interested in the 21-year-old - Chelsea are not entertaining permanent bids.

PLSletShanghaiwin

Hardworking, good on the ball, likes to put in a tackle, nice passing. Should work well under Bielsa, I like that loan for him.


Bujakaa92

But we dont. Will have another White situation. I understand that not all loans can be with option to buy. But then the loan should be a bit more senior player and maybe even other league.


Tahapatel

I don't want him to leave on loan but he won't leave permanently for sure


souljaxl

Why are you so sure he won't leave permanently?


DEUK_96

It was reported that you would only agree to the loan if he signs a new contract first. He might still go after for a big fee if he does well with us but definitely seems you're trying to tie him down long term


timeforsheroes

He has 4 years on his contract.


DEUK_96

Just going off what Phil said - Chelsea are unwilling to consider permanent bids for Gallagher and are likely to look for him to sign a new contract before he heads out but manager Thomas Tuchel does not see him as part of his plans for the 12 months ahead.


jeevesyboi

If I was you, I'd want him on loan at Leeds. Ideal for him. I dont think he's ready for Chelsea yet imo


DEUK_96

I don't doubt him as a player but it doesn't sit right with me that we'll be developing a player for a rival with no prospect of him joining us permanently. Will be similar to Ben White again, which was fine at the time because we were in the championship then but if we want to kick on and challenge for the conference league regularly would rather we have more long term options.


jeevesyboi

Which is why I said ideal for the Chelsea fan


DEUK_96

Just giving my perspective on the deal as a Leeds fan. Depends for Chelsea if he becomes a first team player here, could see him getting more minutes at Palace for example who are also linked, might be better for his development.


jeevesyboi

But more minutes under a worse manager


DEUK_96

True true


Far-Objective-181

Rival you say?


tomrichards8464

In terms of league position, obviously not. In terms of fan sentiment, absolutely. Chelsea and Leeds hate each other going back to the 60s. The 1970 FA Cup Final replay in particular was exactly the festival of savagery you'd anticipate when one team is skippered by a bloke named Chopper and the other has a star player who goes by Bites Yer Legs.


DEUK_96

Yes...Chelsea are a rival


timeforsheroes

Yes, there's a rivalry between Leeds and Chelski.


UmbroShinPad

I'm not a big fan of loans. The feeder club takes all the risk and rarely gains a long term benefit from their input. I sorta think co-ownership is a fairer way to manage these scenarios.


DEUK_96

Yeaah it's true, they can be alright in the short term if the significantly improve the team, I doubt Gallagher is better for us than Dallas for example so this one seems aittle bit pointless.


Blithe17

Poor Lewis Bate must be wondering what he has to do to start ahead of a Chelsea player


ScorpiaHP

Plays deeper than Gallagher tbf and will be eased in slowly, not like Gallagher will move there permanently either


Poke-lord

I’d be very surprised if Bate plays more than a handful of league games for us this season. Obviously highly rated but he’ll be in the U23s most of the season


Tahapatel

Yes I don't understand why he moved going to have the similar roles in both clubs


Poke-lord

I think it’s more the pathway to the first team. If he impresses for the U23s then he’ll be on the bench. Bielsa isn’t afraid to give people a chance


NotClayMerritt

And idk why that is such a difficult concept to grasp for some. We had a goalkeeper leave us 3 years ago Marcin Bulka. Highly rated in the Academy, really good. He left because someone at the club promised him he'd be Kepa's back up and then the season started and he wasn't Kepa's back up. So he left for free next summer to PSG where he was Keylor Navas back up and while his career hasn't quite gone that well since for a couple of reasons, it was that pathway that he could get playing time and maybe one day replace Keylor that was appealing. We just shipped Billy Gilmour off on loan despite all the plaudits Tuchel gave him. If Bate stayed, there's no guarantees he wouldn't have suffered the same fate. These guys aren't demanding the world. They just want more than 60 minutes in the League Cup against Bristol Rovers.


admiralawkward

this criticism would hold a lot more credence if players that left the Academy were suddenly starters all across the top divisions of Europe. Bulka is now third choice behind Navas and Donarumma. "shipped" Gilmour off is such a dumb criticism considering people were quite annoyed that he wasn't getting any minutes as the fourth midfielder. Now that he's actually going to be starting under Farke, suddenly it's "shipped off." It's just inconsistent babble from you as per usual. I admire your passion for the Academy, but you must be quite deluded to suggest that every graduate is somehow ready for the first team.


timeforsheroes

He won't play at all. Shackleton is ahead of him and he only started a couple of games. And we're signing a new CM.


DEUK_96

I think Bate might eclipse Shackleton this season, Shacks development has slowed down. Needs a loan really. And this new CM looks to be Gallagher, would rather give Bate a go for those minutes.


timeforsheroes

I don't think Bielsa will just usurp Shackleton. He's 3 years older than Bate, he's a Leeds lad who has been at the club 15 years, has attributes which suit Bielsa ball very well and he played well in his very limited minutes last season. Eventually, yeah. But not straight away.


DEUK_96

Shacks has really struggled to get consistent game time in this team though, I know he had some injuries but it feels like Bielsa doesn't have full trust in him yet. I hope that changes because I like Shacks but maybe a loan would do him some good


timeforsheroes

>Shacks has really struggled to get consistent game time in this team though Only because Bielsa doesn't rotate at all. The same is true of Poveda, but both have been good in their limited minutes. I don't think first team football is as important under managers like Bielsa and Pep in player development. He's said how he "relies on" Shackleton in press conferences. He played 456 league minutes, which is fine. I view Bielsa's squad as a core of about 18, with a few young players on the fringe supplementing it, who won't complain about lack of football (unlike senior players, who resent doing the all-consuming training etc and not being rewarded, like Pablo last season). I think if he had a run of games he'd be an instant 10-15mil pound player at least, just like Struijk, Roberts and Meslier. The same goes for Poveda.


DEUK_96

I really hope so!


Bielshavik

Well they okay different positions really. Shacks is a box to box number 8 whereas Bate seems to play much deeper and will probably be the heir to Phillips. However I think Bate also had the ability to play further forward so we’ll see.


timeforsheroes

As I said in another comment, I don't think Bate fits the profile of what Bielsa likes in his DM at all. He basically likes ball playing CBs who can drop into the backline and defend one on one situations, IMO. Passing range (like Phillips has) is a bonus.


Zaxtas

Think Bate is the Phillips role, and Conor would play in the more box to box role that ?Klich? normally takes up?


timeforsheroes

>Think Bate is the Phillips role I don't think so personally. Bielsa likes a CB type for that role. Koch is backup now that he's fit it seems (he did very well there in a couple of games towards the end of the season). Then Struijk as 3rd choice.


TheBiggyT

He only played Koch & Struijk there because Forshaw was injured so nobody else was available to play CDM. Forshaw is also back in training which further makes wanting Gallagher on loan confusing.


timeforsheroes

He played Koch and Struijk there ahead of Shackleton, Dallas and Klich. Even though Struijk was terrible. I could equally say he only played Forshaw there because he had no CBs (other than White) who could play DM in the Championship. Forshaw also has some physicality to his game. I think people misunderstand the Kalvin Phillips role. The passing range is a bonus. The main function of it is defensive, IMO. He used Javi Martinez there at Bilbao. When he played Shackleton there he changed the formation to and ditched the role completely. I can't see a technical, 5'7 foot player filling that role.


TheBiggyT

He's used Forshaw, Klich & Dallas all in the spot over the last 3 years as well as White, Struijk & Koch so I think it's more whoever's available goes there when Phillips is out. Forshaw was who he used first though when Phillips was out and all the way until he got injured that was the preferred backup. Like when Saiz left he ditched having a 10 and went with "double 8s". Whatevers best to fit who's available.


timeforsheroes

> He's used Forshaw, Klich & Dallas all in the spot over the last 3 years as well as White Like I said, when he didn't have other options. Now we have Koch, Struijk and Llorente who can all play there. He hasn't played any of the 3 you mention there last season, aside from maybe Klich in the Villa game, alongside Shackleton-- when Struijk was subbed and Llorente was injured. Deciphering Bielsa's tactics is no easy thing. In the Wolves game, when Shackleton started in midfield, it seemed like we switched to a flat midfield. He always preferred Struijk, and then Koch at DM. What was the alternative to using Forshaw? Also, in the Championship we dominated almost every game. In the PL we need more defensive balance. We also need more height in the team, we're terrible at defending set pieces. And we need to keep Koch happy. We have 4 CBs


Poke-lord

He’s exactly what we need in that midfield role. Although I’m not sure about just having him for a year with no option to buy


ScorpiaHP

Would really love this loan for him, but will he play regularly? Feel like it's a great fit for both him (if he does play a fair bit) and Leeds and he can develop a lot, offensively, under Bielsa.


MattOnMatthew

Don’t think he’d play enough to be honest. Klich and Dallas will probably be our midfield pair and we don’t really rotate unless there’s injuries


Jonnyrocketm4n

Not a fan of this transfer, especially if there’s not a to buy option.


deliverancew2

Lewis Bate: joins Leeds because his pathway at Chelsea was blocked by older academy players like Conor Gallagher Leeds:


Hazardzuzu

Leeds are looking for a cheap depth. I hope we dont send him there.


timeforsheroes

We don't want him either, unless there's an obligation to buy.


TheBiggyT

Would be both massively underwhelming (doesn't improve either Klich or Dallas) and completely pointless without an option to buy at the end of the season. He'd make the bench stronger at least, that's the only positive I can see from this.


lambalambda

Going from being linked with De Paul and Nandez to getting Gallagher on loan after the season we've just had would feel very underwhelming. We shouldn't be developing other teams players at this stage and while I like him, I don't think he's good enough to warrant taking a spot over anyone we already have.


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lambalambda

I'd be shocked if Chelsea agreed to loan him out if they felt he'd only be 4th choice.


jeevesyboi

I think he'd be very good for your team. Obviously the loan thing is an issue but suits you perfectly imo


TheBiggyT

Just based on him playing against Leeds this year and what was seen on a WBA forum before the final game of the season he just doesn't seem very good. That last game of the season he spent more time failing at shithousing than trying to play and had rings run round him by everyone. He looked really good at Swansea though. So you could put it down to Allardyce making him look bad at WBA?


jeevesyboi

He was inconsistent but when he was good he was one of our best players. He was one of the few players who got worse under Allardyce whereas most got better. Suited to a different style I guess. Hopefully he can improve his shithousery


Zaxtas

I think he's better than Klich


timeforsheroes

I'd rather play Shackleton.


Poke-lord

I’d love to see Shack play more games, shame he can’t stay fit.


Poke-lord

As much as I love Klich, he’s just not mobile enough to compete in the prem, especially if he’s not in the 10 position and has to cover Roberts/Rodrigo


Billy_LDN

Palace loan makes more sense and it’s becoming even clearer we need to sign a midfielder.


Cowdude179

He'd be a perfect Bielsa player, pressures like Mount and has endless stamina


MLiciniusCrassus

He would be a really great signing for Leeds - from my understanding of the player he feels like a good analogue for Klich. But I am not having it as a loan with no option to buy.


SmartNickname

I'm sorry, what is LUFC and also CPFC?


MLiciniusCrassus

Leeds United and Crystal Palace


timeforsheroes

I don't see why we'd do this unless there was an option/obligation to buy included. How reliable are The Athletic for transfers? Because this sounds like a nonsense rumour someone has thrown together on the back of the Bate transfer.


TheBiggyT

Very. They signed up basically every clubs best reporter. Phil Hay says Leeds want Gallagher so that pretty much can be taken as gospel.


timeforsheroes

His stats are very unimpressive from last season. xA/90 of 0.05 for an attacking midfielder? I know he was in a poor side. Phil Hay/Graham Smyth did say that one of our CM targets was a loan. But I can't see this being done with an option/obligation to buy.


MLiciniusCrassus

> xA/90 of 0.05 for an attacking midfielder? I know he was in a poor side. He wasn't always an attacking midfielder, and I think that the team he was in makes this very hard to judge.


RipJug

The Athletic are like most newspapers and the sorts for transfers. Some reliable journalists, some very poor. Couldn’t tell you which is which here though.


Runningman0301

Would have been perfect to rotate with rice/soucek


deadraizer

Should send him to a CL/EL club outside the league if he's willing.


NotClayMerritt

Gallagher is perhaps different than Guehi because he's tied up a bit longer. I think he has 3 more years on his deal rather than 2. If Gallagher forces a move, he will leave. By all accounts he's impressed in preseason so far. And here's where the fan arguments begin. I think as of today he's a better and more useful player than Ross Barkley and Loftus-Cheek. Others don't see it that way. I think loaning Conor out is a mistake but that decision ultimately falls with Marina who will do whatever she wants.


Brars_Sulliman

Not sure why Chelsea aren’t cashing in on him while he’s being overhyped, the lads they’ve already let go permanently this summer are more talented than him.