Oxyotl has to stop the rituals
By - FaveDave85
That's pretty cool actually. It would be rather weird for him to go around killing random beastmen & Norscan yet ignore an attempt to destabilize the vortex
The Vortex campaign sucks, though. There's a reason they've been giving new lords their own unique victory conditions in the Vortex map instead of the terrible base game system.
Why am I being downvoted so much? You guys don't remember how hated the BASE GAME Vortex campaign was? I am not referring to ANY of the UNIQUE campaigns that FLC and DLC lord's have gotten. That's why I specially said "base game system."
The reason being that they have their own stories to tell, lol
Also all the free lords still get the vortex story and even Malus Darkblade has to collect vortex resources to progress his story
Woa, wasnt that long ago that "vortex is shit just play ME" would be free upvotes.
I'd be more willing to 'just play ME' if all of Lustria and Naggaroth were on the fucking maps. But instead we get slivers of both that make any faction on that half of the world play like shit.
This! This needs to be shouted from the rooftops until they get the message. Chopping off the bottom halves of those continents was just completely uncalled for.
That's the thing, it was fine for Southlands. All we lost was a coastal strip along the south and some jungle on the western side.
But with Lustria and Naggaroth? We crammed legendary lords even closer together in crowded continents and got rid of /most/ of the continents in the proccess.
Oh my god, I forgot Naggaroth.
Yeah untill ca fixed the vortex in a series of updates tbh the vortex experience is hardly recognizable to when warhammer 2 first came out
How? it still seems the same to me.
The reason being that the vortex campaign sucks, lmao.
Implying anything else is just being blind and ignorant.
I love the map. I love the ritual. But the vortex itself sucks ass, and can die in a ditch.
Plenty of people enjoy the Vortex campaign, so it doesn't "suck." You just don't personally like it. Calling people "blind and ignorant" for having a different opinion on something so subjective as fun makes you an absolute douche canoe.
It's my favorite.
Plenty of people enjoy sucky things. It does suck. You just have bad taste is all.
Chill out, Arch.
Yikes I didn't notice the flair till you pointed it out. Dumbass troll or just a useless human being?
Both? Both. Both?! Both is good.
Porque no los dos???
It seems like a troll for sure. I stand for Arch flair is like I stand for Trump flair in r/politics.
Yeeaaaah, dude just needs to be banned. Baiting is bullshit.
And Arch is trash.
Oof that is yikes for sure
Plenty of people think enjoyable things suck. It doesn't suck. You just have bad taste is all.
See how I can use the same argument back and its just as valid? That's because it has zero substance.
I can use facts, can you?
rich coming from someone with your flair lmao.
but hey, I won't stop you from enjoying nazi loli vampire roleplay or blaming everything on women and non whites or whatever kind of content he does nowadays with his fakeass British accent.
> nazi loli vampire roleplay
Wait.... is that a thing?
I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
I was hoping it was just a misunderstanding about Tanya or something. I stand... abashed and ashamed of myself for daring to dream.
irrc he played vampire the masquerade ( good rpg, but thetes alot of shit in it )with Sargon the Applebees waiter, Rags and someone else during which they played as loli vampires from Nazi Germany going on a rampage killing commies.
you can probably find something about it ( or his discord mods defending cp, them going on rants about n-words ) on sigmarxism or just by googling
You know what, I think I'm ok not googling that!
Thanks for the explanation though, your previous post makes a lot more sense now.
*walks into the room, and closes the door behind me, visibly shaken* y-yes it’s real.
Okay just play mortal empires.
You will not be missed.
As if we were playing togeather =)
I like the vortex map, I mostly play it. Idon't like the vortex campaign.
Right, because the nothingness of the sandbox map is soooo great.
You right though. I do play ME a lot more than Vortex and I've never completed an ME campaign. The first 100 turns or so are great. After that it's just kinda autoresolve til victory. Usually just burn out. Vortex at least provides direction.
Wow grow the fuck up seriously. Are you like 13??
Hey man, you're gonna want to save this post and come back in a few years to reflect on it. If you are as much like me as I suspect, I'm sorry for the abuse you've suffered in life to make you feel it's necessary to win discussions.
Imagine whining about a strawman when you literally just used an ad hominem.
Yep it must be projection because its on the internet. Lol.
Why you feel the need to make this comment i can only imagine.
Yikes, bro, yikes.
Ego is one hell of a drug, huh?
I mean yeah your flair proves that point perfectly
Yeah, they were right dude, uts subjective. Chill out and stop trying to police peoples' fun.
You are clear prove of people liking shitty things
Enjoy your stagnant pool.
I think it sucks too.
Stop being a whiny bitch
Looks like we found the one guy who can’t beat the vortex on easy!
One could argue that there's no such thing as "bad taste".
Taste is, very much by definition, a subjective thing. There will be different answers for different people.
Bad, on the other hand, is generally an objective thing.
So, they don't have *bad* taste. They just have *different* taste.
Downvoted for speaking the truth.
No, they're being downvoted for being a condescending asshole, and maybe also for being an Arch fan.
Ya they're definitely coming on a little strong, I just think they're right about the vortex campaign. I love the map and play it a lot but the vortex missions are just poorly designed in my opinion. What's arch referring to?
See thats fine, it's okay not to like it, just don't tell people they're wrong to like it. And Archeathammer is a reactionary YouTuber who is known for being pretty bigoted, especially against women and LGBTQ+ people, and he's not shy about it. By saying "I stand with Arch", they're essentially saying "I share and support his bigotry".
That’s just like, your opinion dude
I can back it up with facts
People don't agree with you, it happens.
Wait what? If you love the ritual what exactly do you dislike?
I like the Rites, not the vortex ritual. I like the map, not the mechanics of the vortex.
A lot of it is subjective, and not worth going into any more than just mentioning them:
- The map itself is cool. If you like Lustria and Naggarond, the mortal empires map is just a huge disappointment.
- Starting positions. This is again, completely subjective. So you might pick a map and lord based on start pos.
The problem with the vortex, is that it doesn't work at all. Start to finish. And even if it did work, it is such a huge letdown.
- Ritual currency is such a "meh" mechanic.
- It doesn't really play well with the rest of the game
- Outside of the fact that it designates a city as being important and worth having.
- It has no catch-up mechanic. Either you're doing well and winning, or you lost 50 turns ago and are just wasting your time.
> But, OP! You're wrong. If you are behind, you can send intercept armies. If those don't work, you can just defeat them at the ritual battle!
My point exactly. It's all worthless. Dust in your eyes, pointless. A game mechanic worth ignoring. Adds nothing. Utter trite.
Let's imagine, for a second, that you NEED to win this mechanic. Then it would be shit. Because, like I siad. You could have lost 50, or even 100 turns ago with no way to catch up. You could, hypothetically, destroy the faction that is way ahead. But it's way ahead because it's huge and strong, and maybe won it's entire continent, while you may be on the other side of the world and behind. There's no diplomacy, no ambushes, no tricks. You just lost. Boring and bad.
But that's not how it actually is. In reality, you can send an army to yada yada. Worthless. If the enemy is way ahead, that army won't do anything, and it will put you even more behind. You just spent a bunch of money to do nothing.
And then there's the ultimate "spit in your face" moment. It all matters for naught. You can just win a quest battle and call it a day. This game has plenty of quest battles. What's one more? Is it super duper epic? No. It's just a normal quest battle. Maybe with more endgame units and a strong enemy lord. But ... there's so much better content in the game. The only thing it has, is a non horrendous map. And in a game where 95% of maps are horrendous - that's not nothing. But all quests have nice maps ...
So, if the currency is worthless, if the leaderbord is useless, if all the mechanics are useless ... what do people like about it?
Now, if you come to me and say "But, no. I like the map!" ... sure, I do too. I just said the campaign sucks. The vortex campaign is nothing. It's more like a lack of something. At least the DLCs have cute little things to do, that are interesting. Whereas the vortex \*exists\*
Won't say anything about the vortex campaign the only ignorant thing here is by far you
I can go into factual evidence on how it sucks. But I doubt anyone cares. It's all about feelings, and feelings are not something I care about.
I prefer the defensive style of the Vortex campaign. It rewards a tall play style.
Just because you hate it doesn’t mean we all do.
The whole reason I don't like base-game/FLC Vortex campaigns is that it heavily *discourages* playing tall. If you don't expand to get the ritual resource regions, you're heavily penalized. Lot of Mortal Empire factions can totally achieve their ends by focusing on development and prioritizing small, extremely powerful armies.
Bloody hell people are downvoting you like mad. The funniest part is that you're completely right but some people just can't handle it.
Here’s the thing though. He’s not right or wrong; it’s purely his opinion. The new lords who don’t participate in the vortex have their own stories to tell, and their own objectives to accomplish that are different from the Vortex.
He’s getting downvoted because he came off like an arrogant dickhead who’s opinion is fact.
He’s well within his right to dislike it. He’s just also an asshole about it.
But he *is* right. Vortex ritual campaigns being bad has been pretty damn near unanimous since WH2 launched. And now almost 4 years later suddenly people come out of the woodwork and say they like it.
Frankly, it doesn't matter if he's being rude or kind about it. What matters is if he's telling the truth or false. And Vortex-focused campaigns suck.
I think we might disagree on this one my friend! But that’s alright because what matters really, at the end of the day, is that there is not one Druchii on Nagarythe.
On that, we agree.
I dunno, the only thing I don't like about the Vortex campaign is the chaos armies spawning out of thin air while you're also at war with 17 other factions.
Thin air and a random location. If the spawns were predictable in where they popped (say, within strike distance of the ritual sites) it would be far less frustrating. I like the idea of having a Helms Deep event where you have to prepare for armies to march on you, but the execution here isn't great.
I'd also be down for the "incoming army" markers like the Welfs get for their rituals. Prepare and/or intercept and get ready for a fight.
Yeah, this is the main thing, just having random Chaos Armies spawn everywhere. It tethers you to your territory. So rather than seeking out fun fights, you have to commit a significant amount of your forces to just waiting around your home.
That's what makes it fun IMO. Instead of painting the map/ steamrolling, it's better to establish an actual kingdom and play defensively/ strategically until the final battle, THEN paint the map. You end up making actual longterm allies that you don't just confederate ASAP, and having multiple epic defensive siege battles, which rarely happens otherwise. If you play it just like any other vanilla campaign and declare war on everyone/ stretch yourself thin, of course you'll have a bad time.
You can still paint the map if you like; just don't do the rituals/ trigger the chaos armies. It's just a matter of playstyle/ taste/ opinion, and I personally love it.
You can completly ignore the vortex though as you just have to fight for each of the factions attempts which is piss easy and then take as long as you want to complete your own rituals.
As with all Total wars the most optimum way to play is to completely ignore the campaign.
The only thing I really dislike about the Vortex campaign is the duration of the actual rituals. The last one being...20? Turns is just annoying.
I played Rapanse's Vortex Campaign. One of the most barebones. It was the most fun campaign I have done thus far out of most of mine being Mortal Empires.
Vortex is just good fun. You may not like it and that's fine but clearly it can be good for others.
Does Repanse get any cutscenes in Vortex? One of my fav things are the cutscenes for every faction after completing rituals.
I think they’re saying the race for the vortex sucks, not the map and such, as they said that’s why they’re adding new stuff for new lords. Could be wrong though.
Yeah I understand that but I really don't think it sucks. Could always be better but I don't think sucks is accurate. Either way it's subjective but they were saying everyone's opinion in wrong regardless.
Oxyotl doesn't have the normal vortex campaign though so what the fuck are you actually talking about.
The originals aren't hated they are just absurdly easy, it's literally impossible to lose.
Idk why this has -300 votes.
That’s not a secret. The original vortex campaign was heavily criticized when the game came out, and it was a big deal when they said dlc’s (starting at hunter and beast) would be different.
It’s whatever if you ask me, and I think they even updated it a little too smooth it out, but yea. This kid didn’t lie.
I just woke up and I'm shocked. Don't think I've ever had so many downvotes on any comment. Haha.
This is an extremely common opinion -- the vortex campaign has been hated and criticized literally since release. It's why they have released so few LLs that have the base game vortex mechanics, and instead have unique goals to pursue.
People might be conflating you with the dickhead further down the comment chain, which is unfortunate.
>Don't think I've ever had so many downvotes on any comment. Haha.
if your ego is this hurt by Reddit downvotes of all things, you need to get off the Internet until you get thicker skin.
Not that it can get much thinner.
What made you think my ego was hurt? I was just stating a fact. I woke up, and was surprised to see that my opinion was such a controversial one (it's also attracted a few douchey remarks from people like yourself, but that's separate from the legitimate criticisms of my comment).
>people like yourself,
Ah yes, because you magically know everything there is to know about random people on an Internet forum.
Pathetic. Absolutely hilarious, and I do mean actual belly laughs were had at your expense, but still, pathetic.
I mean, you were being an asshole in that comment. I don't need to know everything about you to come to that conclusion. That doesn't mean you're always an asshole.
I didn't downvote you.
I've started playing the vortex campaign recently. I like the map much more than the ME one because it isn't distorted or as crowded. There is more space between settlements and legendary lords.
I just ignore the actual vortex mechanics until I have enough resources to do them all. Though, if I have the money I will pay for an army to disrupt enemy rituals.
As does Nakai.
All legendary lords who don't participate in the rituals still get quests like this to stop the ones that do from finishing the rituals.
What do you mean? I never got this with a race on vortex that doesn't use the ritual mechanics... eg. Tomb Kings, Brettonia, Dwarf, Wood Elves,...
So it may be that a Lord that is a part of the Vortex competition but is from a race that is gets it, but those from races that aren't don't get it.
Pretty sure that’s it.
Skaven, high elves, dark elves, lizard men. All legendary lords have to stop the vortex even if their campaign doesn’t involve the vortex
Other races don’t have anything to do with it
It's more like: each LL has a path to victory and every single one has a way of stopping another Vortex factions from winning. Part of the vortex faction objective is to succeed at this open call to arms style battle.
it takes AI quite a while to get to the end so most of time you already finish your campaign beforehand, but it does exist.
It seems like the AI goes through the first few sections of the ritual very quickly but then drastically slows down towards the end.
the last section is like 3/4 of the ritual tokens that's why lol
Reminds me of when 100+ settlement Naggarond was finish it before me, I thought I had lost the campaign... not knowing that there was a defensive battle.
Honestly, the Tehenhauin Vortex campaign might be my favourite. Struggle all the way through to the end, yet still made it out.
Because you played as tomb kings. Only the base factions, high elves, lizards, dark elves, and skaven will get it
No need to get so rude.
It's still a sandbox game and the speed of the rituals for AI varies heavily.
and its pretty hard to lose due to the AI finishing rituals as you can just fight an easy battle to prevent them from winning and if you beat the battle once they can never perform the final ritual again.
I suppose they probably also beeline for the rituals more if you’re actually playing a vortex faction. It was my first campaign in WH2 as malekith as well. Played TWW1 but the timed campaign threw me off
Chill chill chill
Manners maketh men. Seems you don't belong to this
Randomly cursing at people is rarely as funny as you think it is.
I got it as Vampire Coast once.
>All legendary lords who don't participate in the rituals still get quests like this to stop the ones that do from finishing the rituals.
Do only the four racing races get those, or do DLC Factions (e.g. Vampire Coast/Empire/etc.) get those missions too?
Everyone will do rituals no matter who you play but you only need and can stop them if you're from a base game *race* yourself- doesn't have to be a base game faction, just one of the big four.
Every Legendary Lord on the vortex map gets those.
Wow I have never seen the AI complete the rituals on my playthroughs as Vampirates or Grom or Tomb Kings. Thats pretty need.
You lose if you don’t do it too
Vampire coast doesn't. It's only races that are involved in the vortex race.
Vampire coast also gets those quests.
Weird, I completed a campaign with Luthor Harkon 2 weeks ago and didn't get any vortex quest.
Edit: or don't remember getting one.
Then none of the AI ever finished their ritual.
When the end times are stopped by a freaking anthropomorphic salamander.
Happened to me with Eltharion
As far as I know, all DLC lords also get the intervention quest. I also got it when I played Eltharion.
I think only the legendary lords from the races that care about the vortex get it ie. I don’t think Marcus wolf heart or any of the vampire coast ones do it.
I had one as Vampire Coast recently.
I don’t recall that, was there a unique reward or something like that?
I don't quite remember to be honest. I finished that campaign many months ago so I can't say for sure.
It's basically a "second chance" for when you let the other factions reach the end of their rituals instead of just making you lose the campaign outright.
I thought that was when playing as one of the factions that participate in the vortex rituals, I didn’t think you could lose a campaign on the vortex map if playing as a faction that doesn’t participate in the vortex rituals (hope that makes sense)
I believe that's correct. Lords for the 4 main races have to deal with it even if they're not part of the vortex race themselves, but the other races don't.
I don’t recall having to do the final vortex battle in Eltharion’s campaign (and definitely not in Grom’s), though I may have won his final battle before any faction was able to complete the final ritual.
I did already finish his final battle against Grom long before I got the intervention quest. I was just as surprised.
Wait wouldn't the description imply that Morathi is one of the first generation of elves?
First generation of dark elves I think it implies
Malekeith is her son and and he founded and rules the dark elves. Morathi is the oldest elf left alive followed by her son Malekeith. They both fought during the war that created the vortex.
What are elf lifespans supposed to be in this setting? It's very unclear to me, even after reading the high elf armybook. I've gathered that they are not immortal, but nothing really beyond that: do magic users or royalty have longer lives?
Morathi has barely aged due to her devotion to Slaneesh and Malekeith has an unnaturally long life due to magics and the fusion of him with powerful armor. Usually the elves only live a couple of thousand years, but Malekith and Morathi are both over 7,000 years. Morathi is actually close to being as old as Kroq'gar an actual immortal being since he's a saurus.
Neat! TY for the info. And yeah, I found the lizardmen lore very cool, and very funny that they re the true immortals in this setting, and most favored by the gods, meaning for this setting the "immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings" in this game are reptiles, 11/10.
True. Lizardmen are immortal until they die. Yes yes.
>most favoured by the gods
*Laughs in Chaos, Greenskins, the rats and anyone without suspiciously absent gods*
The old ones left the lizards a few cryptic stone slabs and then fucked off. Meanwhile the chaos gods are handing out blessings left and right, Gork and Mork are only too happy to have a good krumpin' dedicated to them and the Horned Rat is powering up while eagerly eyeing up a promotion.
The comparison was to the Elves of LOTR, meaning favored by the good/creator gods.
I would not call the left behind lab assistant, who just reads through the doctors notes again and again to make sense "wise".
I think Morathi was a Khaine worshipper in the last few editions. Im glad CA made her a Slaanesh worshipper in the game. The Cult of Pleasure seeping into Dark Elven society through what is basically the King's mother who is playing both sides... makes it far more interesting from a lore perspective.
Honestly she changes her mind often. Worships Khaine, Hekarti, Slaneesh she thinks she can control the gods most likely by tricking them into granting her favor. She did worship Slaneesh before the 8th edition came out though, but it's not like she's monogamous lol.
Alith anar who’s a non magic user is as old as malekith, pretty sure he’s kept alive by spite
Short version, some of the Dark Elves cheat and extend their lives: Malekith and Morathi are the biggest offenders, but Hellebron is also older than the High Elf-Dark Elf split, though she probably isn't as old as the Vortex itself, unlike Malekith and Morathi.
None of the High Elves are this old except for Alith Anar, whose age is probably on-par with Hellebron (thus why he calls other elves 'Mortals' in diplomacy), though that was only confirmed in The End Times, while other lore suggested he could just be the most recent of several who bear the mantle of Alith Anar.
I don't think there are supposed to be any other Elves alive who are older than the Sundering, but I could be wrong.
You are completely correct. I don't think any of the normal elves live much past 2k years sometimes into 3-4k, but nothing like the two aforementioned.
This isn’t new. Eltharion has to stop it in his campaign and I’d imagine the skaven DLC lords do too
This happens when an opposing faction finishes their final ritual before you are able to finish your vortex campaign, for the races involved in the fight for the vortex (Oxyotl isn't directly, but the Lizardmen race is). You defeat them to give yourself some time to win the campaign.
I am normally proactive about this, if I see glowing strands of light that are not my fiction's color I will conquer or raze it. Especially with Skaven as it tells me where their biggest settlements are from a distance.
jeez. what turn is this? that income is insane!
It's turn 150. I've just been dicking around mostly, while waiting to see if someone else can take out taurox's two doomstacks running around the map. This is off of only about 40 settlements and 2 stacks, one of which is oxyotl's cheap skink army. Lizardmen economy generally is pretty mediocre and it's made worse because I'm sharing a lot of provinces with thorek, so I can't get the geomantic web up in those provinces.
Is it? Seems pretty poor to me?
I think it depends on gross income more than net income. He could have 10k expenses as much as he could have 120k
20k is nothing, That's like 4-5 developed provinces, some races can make that much by like T30. Maybe a single continent worth if you add a few armies upkeep.
I’ve seen around 100k income around turn 140 or so, 21k isn’t that much.
I had this as Snikch when I won the battle against Malus (final battle).
Would people recommend playing Oxyotl in the Vortex on in ME?
All of the new lords campaigns are great for Vortex. Imo they are better on the Vortex map than mortal empires especially Thorek cuse of his starting location and the treasure hunting
I recommend both, vortex first. In vortex you will get these dialogues that advance you toward the final battle. Each stage will give you buffs like plus ammo, missile strength, and interesting dialogue boxes to read. Plus you can only do the final quest battle in vortex and see the ending cinematic.
ME is also good because you get to face enemies you can't face in vortex, ie. grimgor, vampires, etc... (Isabella's trait!). I'm curious to see if the visions will send you to face off against those races so I can teleport snipe isabella.
Why is naggarond always rank 1 everytime I play vortex.
Ai Cheats and black ark spam.
It would be nice if in one playthrough someone else is an actual threat.
In my thorek vortex campaign naggarond got their asses kicked in by the alith anar, sisters of twilight and khatep triple team, so it can happen. The other high elves won’t come in and help until age of discovery.
So you can fail the final mission by not teleporting to it after a few turns which.... sucks pretty hard. Then you have to wait forever for 5 more hard missions to pop.
That has to be a bug?
Edit: to anyone wondering why i thought this is a bug:
stopping the vortex races from finishing their last ritual is specific to the the 8 starting legendary lords.
That's what made me assume this has to be a bug because all the other 40 new lords added since then, didnt have anything to do with that last battle. Now Oxyotl does. Doesnt seem inteded to me, but what do I know.
How so? It would only be a bug if he has to stop lizardmen or mabe the highelves
The other two make perfect sense
"sir, the rats are trying to end the world!"
"And? Are Norsa involved or?"