everything is a sin
By - peterskol7685
Ultraorthodox jews: yes
Some of those are just flat out wrong. Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday, and cutting hair was only forbidden for people under a Nazarite oath, not everyone.
Why bother with facts when you can nitpick to back up your narrative? Facts make people accountable and no one wants that.
And since people get butthurt so easy, I am unapologetically sarcastic.
That’s old Testament. Most fr the priests of Leviticus.we live under the new covenant
According to the old testament. And old testament rules were cast away when Jesus was crucified, because he took on the sins of the world and we no longer had a need for the rituals of the old testament. If you're gonna argue with evangelical, use actual biblical knowledge because this is literally flat out wrong. Source: was raised evangelical
See there's a small teensy weensy problem with what you just said. I know some people who were raised to believe that the old testament still applied. And I was raised to believe that the intent rather than the strict following of the rules was the important bit.
This means that there are atleast three schools of thought about this. And people get really angry at the slightest assumption that they may be wrong about their religion.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
So clearly evangelicals think that the abolishion of the law counts as its fulfillment (which is obviously wrong because Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but also) the old testament has no mention of this, so it very clearly isn't fulfilling the laws to not listen to them.
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What’s up with the fabric thing?
In the Old Testament, priests wore robes made of wool and linen. The law was basically telling common people not to impersonate priests.
I think the only one who wasn't allowed to tear his clothes was the high priest. The Bible is full of people who tear their clothes for a variety of reasons. And, depending on which translation you use, tattoos as such aren't forbidden, it's specifically making skin carvings for the dead (to mourn them for instance).
And working on Sundays? You sure about that? You sure it doesn't refer to, you know, working on the Shabbat which is definitely not on a Sunday?
Cuz if you criticise something you might as well do it right.
It's sunday, and I'm working...
Uh oh, im sorry pal. See ya in hell, i guess.
It's saturday which has the prohibition against working, so you're good.
And for the man shall not love ,an, that could have been a misstranslation and have meant man shall not love boy (as in pedophiles)
It was also likely addressing the practice of male prostitution, which was common in non-Israelite cultures at the time. Many of the seemingly ridiculous Old Testament laws were meant to separate the Israelites from the other groups living near them.
I don't know why you think it's addressing male prostitution? Like, where did you get that from?
Having sex with temple prostitutes was a common form of worship in non-Israelite cultures. The Israelites weren’t supposed to worship (their) God in that way.
I'm aware, but what makes you think the verse (which is smack in the middle of a bunch of other verses discussing sexual immorality e.g. incest) is talking about temple prostitution?
I’m not saying it’s necessarily talking about that. It’s just possible given the historical context. The laws given to the Israelites were meant to distinguish them from surrounding groups of people, so many of the laws address practices of those groups. The other examples of sexual immorality were also sort of common practices.
Which, unfortunately, was fairly common when the old testament was written.
I've seen a lot of people say that. I'm not saying it's not true but where did this information come from?
It would make sense, though, if it did as it was common for the Greeks to do those types of relationships.
I think that and the fact that it's been translated a lot has to do with it, you are bound to make a misstranslation wi th that many
No, it’s not. You see this every time this thing gets reposted. The Hebrew is extremely clear. The term Ish in Hebrew means man in every single usage
The verse doesn't use איש, it uses זכר. Now I'm like 99% certain זכר isn't used to refer to a little boy but get your facts right y'know.
Vayikra 20:13 says ish
Read again. It says "ish asher yishkav et zachar". If zachar means young boy that could still be talking about pedastry
Where are you getting that from? The word it uses is זכר which means male, not child. E.g. by the creation of humanity it says, "זכר ונקה ברא אתם" which means "male and female did he create them." I can't think off the top of my head of any instance where זכר refers to a young boy specifically.
This argument beaks down a bit when you know that a lot of people, specifically jews and muslims, still follow a lot of those rules you listed out.
But it kinda breaks back up when you remember that the post is about the Bible.
The holy texts of Judaism and Islam contain large portions of the Christian Bible's Old Testament, including Leviticus, where most of those 'archaic' rules come from.
Yes, and yet how often do you see Jewish or Muslim people use the bible as an excuse towards being anti gay? For me, so far, it is never.
I'm happy that it's never for you, for someone who lives in an orthodox Jewish community it is most certainly _not_ never.