Daily Megathread - 02/07/2021
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I like when the sportsmen put the ball into the gamenet and score the goalpoints
[Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/oa7c55/megasport_euro2021_wimbledon_2021_and_sri/) Although it's fairly quite at the moment
Tory corruption and scandal continues, soon Starmer will be able to walk into Downing Street
Thanks for the laugh
When have the past instances of Tory corruption and scandal done that tho?
Rots in proper now, just a waiting game.
How long will you wait? Another 10 years?
Also in random tidbits from my research - turns out in late WW2 the Germans were so desperate for food they tried to make synthetic margarine from by byproducts (Fisher Tropsch byproduct wax) from synthetic oil manufacture.
Apparently it didn't cause any immediate health impacts but there were some concerns about it having polycyclic aromatic compounds in it!
How polycyclic are we talking? I assume something like naphthene wouldn’t go down well but PTCDA is pretty inert (not that I would eat it mind).
According to my granddad (a p.o.w.) the Germans put wood chips in the raspberry jam as seeds
Quite probably, they were feeding sawdust to cattle as winter rations by the end (it kind of works but not particularly well because they can't digest the lignin and it gets in the way of digesting the cellulose)
One of my grandfathers was a POW, and one of their favourite hobbies in one of the forced-labour jobs they had do was pissing in the cheese destined to be sent to the Eastern Front.
Yeah, I saw that.
Coffee made of mud & saliva.
and lets not forget Rat Au Van
They were quite inventive with their cooking all round. The filet mignon didn’t look like much but apparently they delivered quite a pungent taste.
Sort of... Dungy?
Don’t worry, everything will be fine once the cream custard arrives.
> Does watching Horrible Histories on CBBC really count as research?
Hey, it's a NASA study on synthetic food manufacture from the 1970s!
> They also ate some interesting/grim things in the WW1 trenches.
Well in the German trenches, if you were lucky enough to get food, it was probably Turnips.
All day, every day, nothing but turnips.
Baldric was on the wrong side!
I would like to wish Michael Gove and Noel Fielding all the best as they go their separate ways.
I wonder if she’ll stop blindly supporting the Tories?
*Sarah Vine is a columnist for the Daily Mail*
Ah she won’t
Sarah Vine turning into a Trotskyite firebrand in the wake of the divorce would be the twist of 2021 we all needed.
Cold war Steve has added another one!
How long can the conga line get?
Labour’s Diane Abbott says she “will never do to Keir what the right of the party did” to Jeremy Corbyn, when asked if she backs her party's leader
So she won't campaign for him to be PM?
She says on a TV show she was pre-booked into, likely to stick the knife in if B&S had gone the other way.
The cynical side of me might wonder if she would be saying the same thing had Labour lost.
That being said, this is the exact sort of message we need to start seeing.
Maybe not - she said that as she repeatedly and explicitly refused to say she had confidence in the leader. Not coming within 100 miles of a shadow cabinet post at that rate.
Yeah - but only cos they dont have the numbers
wish she was PM
Didn’t they try until they discovered the day before the election that 32 was less than 40?
When Diane Abbott is the voice of reason and moderation you're in dire straits
If these rumours lead to anything concrete in th press over the weekend, would it be too low for Starmer to start PMQ's with asking questions asking which cabinet members havent had affairs with aides or tax payer funded associates. Also then bring up michael fallon and damian green (in the appropriate parliamentary language) and ask whether having a sex scandal or an affair is a prequesite to serve in a tory government.
The first part could work. The second just invites mutually assured destruction and, frankly, do you want the Labour party to be the party of marital moralising?
when you have a loyal family man image in Keir Starmer, who has talked about how devoted to his family he is , it cant hurt to paint him in contrast to the PM. You could then paint Starmer as trustworthy and dedicated to his work, see DPP and barister representing the little guy
I don't see why not if he refers to confirmed and recent infidelity
Some people may think this is below the belt (if you pardon the innuendo). Personally going to the cheap shots is how you get ahead, be controversial, cause a scene. The tories would go low if they had the opportunity, why shouldn't Labour.
Unless politicians are running on morality tickets then affairs and the like aren't fair game.
I can understand the Hancock thing as far as it relates to his breaking guidelines whilst attacking others for doing so and the corruption element. But the affair itself without that would have been none of our business. The Gove issue... again, if it turns out he has had an affair which compromises policies he espouses, or national security, or is mired in corruption, fine, valid talking point. But if he's just shagged around? That's for him and his vile STBEx to deal with, I cannot stand the panting over sex lives people engage in.
I would argue an affair questions the fidelity and trust the public places in ministers, if they can't be loyal to their families, how can we trust them to be loyal trustworthy ministers. It isn't about the rights and wrongs it is about trust and you can always bring that back to cronyism.
No. I don't think that's valid. Years ago a friend was ranting about how Robin Cook was a terrible man for his infidelity, made the same argument you just have, that it showed he could not be trusted, etc. Robin Cook, one of the few with the balls to not only stand up to Blair on Iraq but someone willing to resign from the government over it, to give up his career because he morally objected to the government's planned actions. That he betrayed his wife as he did is not a plus point but it was not relevant to his public life and it certainly did not, as he demonstrated, mean he was a man without morals, principles, beliefs and anything to offer.
When the Tories were running on Back to Basics and having sordid affairs, *that* was relevant. Any politician doing something whilst condemning others for it and acting to punish others for it deserves all they get. But just as my doctor is no worse a doctor if she cheats on her partner, our politicians are no worse politicians simply because they cheat on theirs.
100% accept your view on this as it is perfectly rational. I was just curious as to how the opposition could spin it against the government.
I would think less of them if they did tbh.
Now if we attack them for supporting restrictive drug policies whilst coking it up themselves, that I could cheer on!
Yes, too low
going low works and politicians should do it
I see the Galloway poison has worked its magic once again.
he got 21% of the vote from nothing
I would add to that if you can't stay loyal to the person, you have devoted your life to how can you be loyal to the country, how can you ever be trusted. May be I just want politics to have a bit of bite
>if you can't stay loyal to the person you have devoted
Marina Wheeler has entered the chat
Exactly, you dont need to use unparliamentary language to imply the reason for the prime minister's removal from his position as shadow culture minister under the former member for Folkestone and Hythe's leadership was due to his infidelity. Starmer can then turn it back on himself by saying" I have been a loyal and faithful husband", ask Johnson "has he ever had reason to believe he had not been a loyal and faithful husband?"
Not a single mention of this in the televised coverage I've seen on Vauxhall:
>Now there is a new business model - and with Mr Tavares having previously made it clear that future production in the UK would depend on what support the government could offer, it's likely help from the taxpayer will be part of it.
So if the pattern of Hancock's affair is the same as Gove's, the [contracts related to him](https://www.sophie-e-hill.com/slides/my-little-crony/) will highlight who he's been bonking
So he's had a threesome with Priti Patel and Dom Cummings
Anyone know who Gove/Vine has been knobbing?
When it comes to handing out contracts, Gove has certainly been shafting the taxpayer. But then, which Tory minister hasn't?
Nope, they said no one else IS involved, not no one else HAVE BEEN involved - there is the possibility
I’m in complete astonishment that the bbc has had the “Labour is back” message on their home page for the entire day. Thought it’d be five minutes then off
starmer's getting such an easier ride from the press than corbyn did
What news have I missed with Gove?
someone nicked his nintendo
That’s such a stupid answer but I’ve been laughing for 2 minutes.
[an unrelated image of Gove here](https://twitter.com/Babble____/status/1409241454568951815/photo/1)
I wish the divorce lawyers well
I'm sure they'll be fine.
[I'm sure they're devastated.](https://gfycat.com/impishdelayedarabianoryx)
I'd wish they'd just gove us the details.
Can't believe they're saying it's a divorce after drifting apart, call it what it is: a reshuffle
An unnamed Whitehall source texts: "My Gove-aconda don't want none unless you got buns, Hun."
>I hope it’s drugs AND sex.
That picture of Sewell but it's Gove.
since we're playing scandal bingo, I hope it's drugs, sex AND nazi uniforms
at Barnard Castle?
Please don’t let this become a jinx before tomorrow.
la Suisse je vous bénis
They work when there are global agreements on all the vaccines. It's a new vaccine, there will be delays.
It's not a new vaccine. India just did not get the EU to check its manufacturing plant for AZ, so it's not included in the EU one automatically. But clearly what this means is that it's all the EUs fault and problem or w/e
Relatively, it is a new vaccine so they haven't had the chance to check everywhere it is produced from. That's what I meant.
They're not an unprecedented thing. I've had to have them in the past for other illnesses. 🤷
No, it was some of the hepatitis vaccines before going to Vietnam and Laos, back at the turn of the century. I had to have proof of vaccination to get the entry visa.
Quite the political newsfest today. I'm going to celebrate by installing Windows 11 beta.
We may have re-joined the EU by the time this PC works again.
My PC is unfortunately too old in terms of CPU and has no TPM module, so no Win11 for me unfortunately.
MS have eased off on the minimum cpu requirement in the last couple of days. Also worth checking if your cpu / chipset has integrated TPM which would avoid the need to buy the extra module.
I’m on a 3570K from 2013 - doubt it’ll be on the list! And no TPM support on my Z77 mobo either (or space, it’s a mini-ITX in a Bitfenix Prodigy case, so I don’t think there’s any more space for anything that can go in there!).
It’s a shame, I like the look of the new interface, and my PC hasn’t really met anything it struggles with at 1080p yet. Guess I better start looking at building a new one… 😁
Just watch out for those prices! It's bloody scalpertastic out there if you're component shopping.
reports of even the plug-in TPM modules (for those boards that have the right headers) being scalped upwards
I feel slightly smug for only buying "business" laptops, as they will have had TPMs for years. My main laptop is also new enough to meet the arbitrary CPU requirement as well.
Oh I know, think I’m going to take the same tack as I did when going for a PS5 - monitor stock check Twitter and discord, and pounce when the time is right!
I am never upgrading from Windows 98. Does everything I want and more on this puppy *taps gently smouldering laptop*
Did they ever fix that bug that lets anyone remote control it whenever you're connected to the Internet? Or is it currently doing everything you want, plus everything some 90s era hacker wants too?
It automatically deleted all my bad university essays for me. And the good ones too. In fact, it deleted everything without me having to lift a finger.
He already said it does everything he wants *and more*
G'wan, upgrade it to Windows ME. What could *possibly* go wrong?
Good luck. May the force be with you.
Thank you. The work is done and the PC is back in action. I trust by now we've re-joined the EU, Boris Johnson has been ditched from all of politics and climate change has finally been solved?
Yes. Oh, wait. No.
why upgrade from vista? It was pre 08 crash, pre boris. Lots of benefits
Controversial, but I never got the hate for Vista
Apart from what the others said, MS had a lot of Enterprise contracts that basically said they need to release a new version of Windows every 5 years, or whatever it was, otherwise they would pay a penalty.
The Longhorn thing (the successor to Windows XP that they actually had to scrap because it went so badly) delayed everything and they ended up having to rush Vista out before it was ready. Just to meet the contract, they released it to the businesses, but with no intention of them actually using it.
However this also meant releasing it to the tech reviewers who downloaded it and slated it as being buggy, unreliable and broken, which just became part of the zeitgeist.
it got fucked over by OEMs sticking it on low spec machines and third party software companies being appallingly bad at updating drivers for the OS.
I had new enough / high spec hardware and it was still a dog. I remember a lot of hard drive thrashing (as I had one of those velociraptors that were very noisy)
That said there was a genuine problem. MS created the "Vista Ready" specification and made that loose enough to allow OEMs to slap it on things that really should not have got it.
People and companies were upgrading their operating system on computer’s that were just about functioning on XP. There’s quite a lack of understanding about computer hardware in some companies from my experience.
I mean it's counterintuitive in user experience too because a lot of newer OS versions _are_ faster than their predecessors, including some Windows versions. Base requirements tend to go up but less steeply than the average hardware.
It was a good OS and I never had any problems with it.
There's not a sports thread atm right?
Because the idea of Switzerland taking down France and Spain just seems glorious.
SUI-ENG final wdnt be too bad
[Here you are](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/oa7c55?sort=new)
I wish Sarah Vine well, I consider the marriage closed.
[In case nobody had posted already](https://youtu.be/nzan__phXM4)
Christ, that’s a bit on the nose, even for Enfield.
>7 years ago
Oh that’s just perfect 😂
Surely Keith has to resign now? Labour performed terribly.
I don't get why anyone thinks calling him 'Keith' is some sort of witty remark.
He will when George wins his court case and the election is void
The thing about byelections is, they always try and walk it in
What were the Tories thinking, sending Stephenson on that early?
Had my second vaccine dose at a pop up. Will I need to cancel my second appointment or will it be done automatically?
you need to cancel it.
Will do then. Thanks.
Probably cancel it though you'd hope it would just cancel it itself once your dose is uploaded maybe tomorrow. I'm caught in two minds myself, saw there's pop up centres for second doses near me. The website listing the pop up centres says I should wait at least 8 weeks (my second is 8 weeks 1 day apart) but everywhere else in the world uses a shorter time.
Yeah they initially said the 8 weeks thing to me and that they're only doing first doses. I showed up an hour before they were due to close and they gave me it because it's better than wasting it. If you go to a pop up I suspect you'll have better luck closer to close as well.
Good shout, there's one near my work on Monday that I could go to just before closing. I'd only be 5 weeks between doses myself tbf.
try to cancel, how many weeks after the first did you have the second?
Around 5.5 and was due to have my second in a few weeks. I figure wait until Monday to cancel but wondered if anyone here had experience with this.
Anyone recommend any rum cocktails? (not spiced rum)
currently thinking caipirinha but with rum
25 ml white rum, 25 ml dark rum, juice of half a lime, 75 ml orange juice, 75 ml pineapple juice, a splash of coconut cream, pop half a passionfruit on top, soak that in a shot of dark rum if you fancy and suck on that as a treat. Serve in a coconut half if you're that way inclined 😋
hmm. sounds nice
It is, but far too easy to drink. It's mine of those perfectly lethal summer drinks.
Neat, from the bottle, singing songs about victory over your fallen foes.
Musha ring dum a doo dum a da
Wait wrong spirit
I think you're describing Klingon Blood Wine. Probably the same taste and effect though.
Er, yeah - straight.
It also requires grenadine and orange juice but a) tastes sexy b) looks sexy.
Mango, banana and pineapple smoothie with ice and white rum. Basically a piña colada with mango instead of coconut I guess?
Not OP but can you deliver this to me please? Thanks
Tastes like tropical juice, drinks like poison.
Caipirinha with rum's called a caipiríssima, fyi.
There's always piña colada, but I'd go with the caipirissima myself.
Dark rum with an ice cube is my go-to cocktail.
Sack off the ice cube - it's better room temperature.
sadly i cant get a decent enough rum for that on short notice
Did land me in the hospital once though.
Dark and Stormy.
Dark rum, preferably Goslings, but any will do, and ginger beer. Add a piece of lime or lemon if you want to be fancy. Extremely simple cocktail, but just like the Cuba Libre (rum and coke) works incredibly well.
(Blended) banana daiquiri best daiquiri.
i might do strawberry daquiris
Mojito with spiced rum is delicious.
u/gravy_baron didn't want spiced. If you have any muddle some raspberries with the mint. Tastes great
Just saw that.
Dark, golden or white?
any tbh. probably white or golden though
I'm a fan of the classics. White go for a mojito if you have fresh mint in.
Golden, I'd do a simple daiquiri (just shaken with fresh lime and simple syrup - if you don't have syrup, just mix equal parts brown sugar and hot water and stir until dissolved). Although it also makes an excellent Old Fashioned if you substitute good golden rum for whisky. Orange bitters for a twist if you have them.
you know i think i might do golden. do some daquiris and old fashioneds
Daiquiris are due a comeback
At least without having to muck up with Sarah Vine each night, Gove can focus on his true passion which is a raging cocaine habit.
Gonna be one to watch in the Commons I think 👀
He needs it with the skin full he seems to have here :https://vimeo.com/430725285
Starmers written a column in the Guardian as well now: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/02/keir-starmer-labour-byelection-politics-kim-leadbeater?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
He can't get enough apparently!
Great article. Full of the sort of positive outlook Labour need right now I think.
People complaining about not hearing enough from Starmer will still be angry about this for some reason.
Seriously though, it’s a good optimistic article.
... the fuck are you all speculating about Gove being gay or bi? If he is, he is, this nudge nudge wink wink commentary is weird
Its more a comment on the affair and his boss referring to gay people as short lifters in the past.
I haven't seen 1 comment thats attacking the idea or him for being gay.
It's more the potential affair.
From what I can tell there's no source on this chat for all this stuff.
Those are the rumours that have been flying around for ages.