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Daily Megathread - 23/07/2021

Daily Megathread - 23/07/2021

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HobGoblin877

Just thought I'd ask this here. Why are we only allowed to post articles from websites on this Sub? It's a shame the individual cannot share their own political ideas without it being relevant to some website full of adverts and we all know most UK media is Tory owned or right-leaning left. I'm not left or right, it's just an observation. That being said, to get round this is it possible to create a free website, write what I want to say then link it?


Ivashkin

Rule 8 and Rule 10 in the sidebar.


JungleDwarf

You can write a self post but there is an expected level of effort required for those - so not soapboxing but a critical write up at least, you can also post stuff in the megathread though I'd time it for not 4am to catch the crowd. Of course it needs to relate to UK Politics too.


HobGoblin877

Thanks for the info I appreciate it


angelOFnoise

Aha bbc just showed the crowd for the bike race and one of them had a banner saying "Olympics kill the poor" oops


DazDay

Big boy swing. https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1418716582520532996?s=19


116YearsWar

I was part of this poll, I wonder how much an 18-24 year old who said they were 100% going to vote Labour affected the figures.


TwoInchTickler

What’s interesting with this is that for many of us the “big thing” has been vaccine passports this week, but YouGov polling showed that on the whole the public support them… so it’s tricky to think of what might cause this! I’ll take it with a pinch of salt, as it’s the hope that gets you, but still… noice!


horace_bagpole

There's been a few things: Most people disagree with the full opening up thing. 66% wanted some restrictions to remain. The rising case numbers are concerning people. The removal of the £20 uplift for universal credit - it's going to affect a lot of people who may have voted for the Tories in 2019. Boris and Rishi deciding yet again that the rules didn't apply to them, while Hancock's shenanigans are still fresh in people's memories. Hypocrisy is really not popular at all. Dawn Butler's stunt reminding people that Johnsons cannot be trusted has been widely reported. (although this might have been too recent for this poll.) Perhaps the scales are starting to come off and people are beginning to realise that the sun doesn't shine out of Johnson's backside at last. I'm not holding my breath though, and am fully expecting some populist bollocks to be announced or some u-turn to be made in an attempt to shore up the polls.


RockinMadRiot

Vaccine passports causing the swing? Or something else?


DazDay

If I had to guess, the sudden reopening is spooking the Tory faithful, not much else really - for starters, why on earth are Labour up? They've not done anything to warrant that.


ohell

19 July free for all, when people are looking at rising numbers in disbelief (unless they are "Libertarian" nutcases, like Tory backbenchers)


numberonehangestan

Doubt it, I wish he got a decrease over that lmao but more likely it's food shortage stories


w0wowow0w

passports/pingdemic/Boris and Rishi dodging isolation, might be some more i forgot. maybe food shortages but no one has really brought that up much as being the tories fault.


DazDay

**The Tories generally being shit*


w0wowow0w

remember like 3 days ago when everyone was saying "but yougov has a massive lead, this is an outlier"? big lol at that now, obvious swing happening in most polls, which would mean something.


ClumperFaz

That -6 drop is _massive_, jesus. I wonder what the cause is. And at least Labour's starting to become somewhat the beneficiaries of these drops. Vaccine bounce is officially dissipated.


HitchikersPie

Who's ready to not overreact?


DazDay

You won't believe how much I'm not overreacting right now, oh my god.


samanthaxboateng

Is Emily Maitlis really left wing as some are saying or is she just a fair broadcaster?


HotIncrease

She's got a tattoo of Stalin on the backside of her lower lip


Cactus-Soup90

Rule of thumb, if they're on TV and not in comedy, then "left wing" means "not right wing enough"


ClumperFaz

So a day of work after my 2nd jab and I feel alright still - I remember after the first jab and after work I had a bad chill and tiredness. I was slower in facing up the aisles, that was the only thing that genuinely made a difference, but I wasn't tired or anything. Here's hoping I can survive having any of the side effects the 1st jab gave.


__--byonin--__

London news reporting Kings College are pleading people to reconsider admitting theirselves to hospital to save beds for growing covid cases. I don’t think many politicians would be able to successfully persuade young people to get the jab. Perhaps if the government were on the right side of the England football team, they may have been able to persuade as a government scheme, but once again, that’s another bridge the government has burnt.


ToLiveandDieinL8

Reconsider admitting themselves for what? Covid or other ailments?


__--byonin--__

Other illnesses/accidents.


Spiz101

> I don’t think many politicians would be able to successfully persuade young people to get the jab. Ultimately we are still tight on vaccine supply - which is why output remains strangely close to vaccine supply. But also - the best thing that can persuade people to get vaccinated is climbing case and hospitalisation numbers. They saw this all the time with Smallpox in the first half of the 20th Century in the UK. Lots of people didn't bother getting vaccinated.... until there was an outbreak, when suddenly everyone is queuing up to be vaccinated


Impossible_Pen_9459

This is probably a shout now I think of it. Awful but it’s got a decent logic to it. I think it’s the case with measles as well


Triangle-Walks

Sounds like India's recent COVID experience, too.


room2skank

Just out of interest, what's the source on vaccine supply data?


Spiz101

> Just out of interest, what's the source on vaccine supply data? We know approximately that 1.5 million-ish doses of Pfizer per week have been arriving for a while. People have been pulling this data from a variety of places including the old Scottish *forbidden document* and analysis based on the yellow card reports published weekly - see [here](https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1418524054328430593). About ~1.3-1.4 million per week Pfizer and ~100k per week Moderna. EDIT: The Pfizer first dose output also just happened to crater just as we hit 20 milion Pfizer first doses - which is half the 40 million ordered originally (separate from the later booster order)


RussellsKitchen

Have you got a link?


__--byonin--__

It was on BBC local news from 10pm.


JavaTheCaveman

> are pleading people to consider admitting theirselves to hospital Do you mean "reconsider"? Or am I misreading something?


__--byonin--__

Indeed, thanks for proof reading! Will edit.


TheFlyingHornet1881

I'm interpreting it as don't go to A+E for minor issues


ITried2

This is utterly tragic lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWs8T1Jc74


RyokaL

Actually got an ad about the "Great Reset" before this video. What in the actual ....


Impossible_Pen_9459

Dumb idea getting him imo


Ivebeenfurthereven

60fps at least, maybe they will capture the millennial market after all... 🤔


numberonehangestan

It's 50fps for some reason


horace_bagpole

It's because the mains in this country is 50Hz. If you use electric AC lighting along with a 60fps frame rate you can see the lights pulsing as the two rates conflict with each other. Using 25 or 50 fps eliminates the problem.


w0wowow0w

nige reliving the good old freedom days of PAL signals and 50hz


Engineer9

God he is insufferable.


Engineer9

I did not know kneeling for anti-racism was: a) a political gesture b) banned on **every** UK channel. Someone ought tell the BBC and ITV.


Ivebeenfurthereven

This is a free speech station. That's why we have taken action to protect you from the wrong kind of freedom.


jambox888

phew


Nrehlum

I never realised he was so...boring.


PeterOwen00

Really weird energy to open your show once again pointing out how cheap and shit it all is


JavaTheCaveman

It's straight out of the "how to pretend to be a startup" manual. Ambitious types love to go "oh yah, I'm doing all my work whilst sat on a wobbly lab stool we found outside an FE college, but one day, we'll show 'em". GB News is the equivalent of that ... and it's following the majority of the startups by essentially being dead on arrival.


Hessenuk

Mutter mutter WeWork hipsters mutter mutter


PeterOwen00

yeah it's kinda nuts that they wanted to again draw attention to the shitshow


BristolShambler

Not exactly the most dynamic intro, is it?


powermoustache

Christ, it's deluded.


evolvecrow

FRAGE


miscfiles

You like outrage? You'll love F-RAGE!


Cactus-Soup90

Not planning on watching that, but was weird to see Sargon of Akkad in the comments, then even weirder to remember he was actually in UKIP. Then even weirder to remember that they weren't in at the same time due to Farage explicitly rejecting people like him at the time. Guess that's all water under the bridge now.


Ivebeenfurthereven

*Adele intensifies*


HitchikersPie

Lmao is that chucklefuck still kicking about?


RussellsKitchen

Thought he disappeared years ago.


Cactus-Soup90

I mean thinking about it, I'm curious whether or not he got in touch with anyone at GB News. He's arguably been more "successful" than they have which says something by itself.


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100basepairs

>“Brexit” will cease to remain something which was supposed to have ushered in a better quality of life, and will instead be replaced by the dull sensation that, as usual, nothing has got better. I remember asking a very vocal Brexit voter on here what would actually happen when this happened to be the case. Their rather mealy mouthed response was that the politicians would have to deliver because they got Brexit.


__--byonin--__

Love your posts.


Engineer9

I like to read them while having a...


The_Boris

That’s a lot of text you’ve just typed. But you’re the person who yesterday wrote about Helen Whately’s nipples and then for some reason shoehorned in about her being an innocent 14 year old girl. So I dread to think what you might have written there but I definitely won’t be reading it to find out.


Ivebeenfurthereven

> wrote about Helen Whately’s nipples and then for some reason shoehorned in about her being an innocent 14 year old girl u wot m8


vegemar

> Helen Whately what a woman, She's far too milky skinned and cherubic for the rough and tumble of this pack of hooligans. Much more at home sitting on a gingham blanket in a meadow or leafy glade, sipping Cointreau and milk with a girl "friend" as they listen to birdsong, pretending not to notice each other's beautiful agony augmented by the rub of tender nipple on silken blouse. Dreaming of being fourteen and innocent again, when the flowers of late summer were then mere saplings of spring. Was this written with the left hand only?


Ivebeenfurthereven

Good lord, what is happening in there?


vegemar

I'm tempted to one up him tomorrow with a tantalising tale about Matt Hancock and Gina Colangelo's forbidden love.


A_Nice_Relaxing_Poo

You gotta have your critics - Karl Pilkington 2002


Ivebeenfurthereven

#<3 >!head like a fuckin orange!<


Hessenuk

What do you mainly remember about the Brexit referendum, in the lead up to the vote itself, and the immediate aftermath of the result?


DeidreNightshade

Honestly not much. I stayed up to watch some of the results come in but went to bed when it became apparent we had lost. It felt like the 4 years I'd just spent studying for my apprenticeship was a waste, all the law modules would become irrelevant because EU law wouldn't apply anymore. I remember Cameron stepping down. I remember shortly after I tried to kill myself. Not because of the referendum mind you. I was still in lots of pain from a car accident and it all got a bit much. A few others have mentioned Jo Cox, and I remember that pretty well. Of all the things that happened, *that* is the one thing I can't forgive. It doesn't feel like anyone on the leave side has ever acknowledged their culpability. Just yesterday I was reading some of them talking about it on another sub and they seem to genuinely think it was just a random attack by some lunatic. 'he was proven mentally unstable' they say. Well im afraid OCD doesn't make a person a killer. It's why the judge clearly stated that he was sane. I won't talk about brexit because I have nothing nice to say, consider this comment an exception.


funkehmunkeh

A day or two before the vote, a Labour councillor was canvassing outside the local school on behalf of Remain and one parent lit into him on the subject of Turkey joining the EU and its citizens flooding into the country. His stating that it wasn't true did not calm her down. She was absolutely raging at the chap. Nipped into the post office the morning after the vote. Same parent and a group of her friends were inside, pretty much high fiving each other because they stopped the Turks from coming.


allthedreamswehad

Email from the boss assuring us that 1) all our EU employees are highly valued, and the company would pay all fees and provide lawyers/advisors to help with any immigration or naturalisation options that they chose to pursue and 2) less than 4% of our sales were in the EU so although that's a potential hit, it's not impossible to recover from.


Engineer9

Like watching a show motion train wreck, from when Cameron first put it in his manifesto. It was agonising. The despair of talking to people who would just parrot the camp leave lines, taking them as the truth: The unshackled power of Brussels, bent bananas and Turkey.


Triangle-Walks

I wasn't actually that bothered because I thought that even if Leave won, the 2014 referendum would mean that Scotland's voice would have been respected when it voted Remain. Plus until that point I had thought cooler heads would prevail if Leave won and that the UK would have slid into something like EFTA. Well, how wrong I was.


NorthernPlastics

Going down to College Green with friends on the afternoon of the 24th after the result had been announced. Stood amongst the world's media, protestors, politicians, police, finding ourselves in the background shots of news bulletins, just being there in a slight state of shock at what had happened the previous night. Looking back I guess we wanted to round out the whole referendum 'experience' if you can call it that, soaking in the miserable aftermath. Milled around there for two or three hours and then retreated to a pub somewhere towards Victoria in order to stand in silence nursing our pints. We were still fuelled by shock but it was tempered by pure exhaustion from not having slept for 36 straight hours. Probably one of the more surreal periods of my life and one I'll always remember.


HotIncrease

It was pissing down on the day, lots of funny Question Time memes, Tim Martin, the debates, David Cameron Resigned, The old Man that probably faked getting Yoghurt thrown on him outside a polling station, Prince Charles arrested for headbutting a palace guard


Hessenuk

I do remember the rain, yes. That didn’t help.


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Hessenuk

5 second rule


gravy_baron

WEnt in thinking it would be a waste of time, money and energy. Have since been proven right. Though also considered that voting leave would quell the worst of the right wing nutcases which i think also has happened to some degree.


Engineer9

>quell That's not how you spell *empower*


panic_puppet11

I remember pretty much nobody being happy about the result. I remember seeing a lot of people saying they voted for Brexit even though they didn't want it because they thought it would lose and they wanted to protest. I remember seeing pictures of the leave campaigners that clearly were not expecting to win and obviously had no clue what to do because they weren't prepared for it. I remember the winners rowing back on one of their promises (the NHS big red bus of lies) less than 24 hours after the vote (I think?). I remember Cameron creating the biggest mess in British politics of my lifetime and leaving it to someone else to clean up. And I remember seeing that if the referendum had been -binding- it would have been declared void due to the leave side's tactics, but since it was just -advisory- there was nothing they could do.


JavaTheCaveman

Catching the train to London on the morning of the 24th. It was silent, like a funeral.


CaravanOfDeath

Genuine nerves…then elation. People promising to escape to Canada/EU27…then didn’t. The gloating…the tears.


Apple22Over7

The assumption that remain would win. The belief that the British public couldn't be that gullible. The outrage at the tactics of many vote leave campaigners. The shock at Jo Cox's murder, and an optimism that as a country we would stand against the vile racism, xenophobia and general nastiness that permeated the vote leave campaign. The morning after was just a feeling of utter despair and disbelief, and sadness at seeing friends who I thought were sensible people gloating about the leave victory. There was a lot of "you lost, get over it" sentiment flying around. I tried to stay optimistic and I posted a couple Facebook memes or whatever to the effect of "I may not like the result and may have voted the other way, but I hope that both sides can come together and work together to forge a new path and new relationship with the EU.". Sadly that feels very naive 5 years on, but I was rather hopeful at the time. But mostly what I remember is later that day my brother very sheepishly phoned me to tell me he'd got a girlfriend; it was a bright spot in an otherwise sad day. It's 5 years later and they're getting married next month.


redrhyski

Every cloud has some other guy getting laid as a silver lining. Best wishes for the happy couple :)


__--byonin--__

Happily chucked at that last paragraph. Congratulations to them!


vegemar

Does anyone else remember the commemoration of the Somme about a week later? I don't remember much about the vote but the hundreds of men dressed as WW1 Tommies sticks out for me.


100basepairs

Corbyn's godawful campaigning, his 7/10 comment still sticks in my head about completely useless he was. The sub getting progressively shitter as the day drew closer. A personal feeling that something would very wrong on the day. My parents discussing actually voting leave because they felt it unfair that Europeans had an easier way to migrate to the UK until I pointed out how absolutely batshit that was considering we were now British citizens. Immediate aftermath was a bunch of students I knew being aghast that Leave had won, but saying that they had not bothered voting. A sense of everything having gone wrong on the day.


__--byonin--__

That remain would easily win. I remember talking with mates about it, and the likelihood of it happening and just shrugged it off. I remember getting VoteLeave propaganda through the door with a diagram highlighting Turkey “dangerously” close to Syria and that it was to join the EU and pure hate breed to vote Leave. The morning after the referendum was a shock and walking out into the streets seemed very strange.


Hessenuk

Morning after was so scary and weird. Everyone at work was properly in shock. Like, what has happened.


__--byonin--__

Yeah, I was on the Tube going to work and it was a (more) somber mood.


redrhyski

Jo Cox getting killed, Farage manipulating the market with his false "concession", Gove and Johnson's shocked faces when having to discuss their win.


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Thinking the vote would be a jolly reminder of the country's commitment to our relationship with our erstwhile European brethren and that there was no chance of us leaving. Then being shocked by the result and realising the power of echo chambers.


hu6Bi5To

Question Time at Wembley Stadium.


popupsforever

I wasn't politically engaged at the time - I decided to vote leave on the day of the referendum because I thought it would be funny to "stick it to the establishment". Regrettably, I'm not joking.


LuciferLite

Meeting Theresa May two days after the referendum...


Ivebeenfurthereven

Did Submarine May have anything to say on the subject so early on? That's fascinating.


LuciferLite

It was a community event - she left quicker than we expected (the councillors and us at the event hoovered up the lovingly volunteer prepared catering instead) but not as far as I know at all. I like to imagine she left quickly to go plot, but who knows.


twogurleysonecup

Before: being unsure which way to vote but ultimately deciding it’s probably best not to side with someone like Farage After: the CEO at the company I work for sending a mail in the morning to the whole company saying stay calm. Had real Michael Scott from the US office vibes to it.


Hessenuk

For me it was the lad I worked with at the time, we got on pretty well, same age, same life stage, but a more working class upbringing. Changing his Facebook banner to the battlebus slogan and in the office saying he was voting leave to protect the NHS instead of propping up corrupt European economies. Has never backed down on that.


twogurleysonecup

Blimey


NGP91

(I voted Leave) I went in thinking remain would win 70-30 and that without a series of plans in place we wouldn't be able to convince the public to overcome the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt used by Remainers to even come close. As the 23rd June got ever closer, I became more and more excited as looking at the polls and the feeling 'on the ground' I thought we could do it. Then came Jox Cox's murder which I thought would cost the Leave side victory. Obviously it didn't, but I reckon the margin of victory would have been larger if it weren't for that murdering scumbag. Went into work the next day buzzing with adrenaline, hadn't slept the previous night at all as stayed awake all day.


Hessenuk

Still stand by your stance now?


NGP91

I'm happy we left. I'm amazed that voters voted for Brexit without a plan. I would have suggested a halfway house EEA/EFTA style membership with the UK making full use of the migration controls available to it for a decade followed by another referendum at the end of that decade whether to leave the single market (I would guess that this position would have seen greater than 52% of the vote, which would make the country feel less divided over the issue)


__--byonin--__

That’s not a bad strategy. But are you happy with the current Brexit that has been served?


Cactus-Soup90

Shitshow, shitshow and shitshow. In that order. The only points of view that I think have changed is whether or not Dominic Cummings is a genius or not. All of the populist fog had already started during the referendum itself, the split leave campaigns, people walking away from the bus message as soon as we started looking at it, and so on.


Spiz101

Watching a remain campaign that was sure it would win easily slowly crumble was peculiar in the extreme. It's one of the worst fought electoral campaigns I can remember


Triangle-Walks

Why is Angus Robertson by far the betting favourite to be the next FM when the obvious choice is Kate Forbes? I don't understand who's picking Robertson over Forbes. Not that I dislike Robertson, but Forbes is surely the most obvious choice?


Sckathian

Forbes is from a Calvinist background. She doesn't marry that with her politics but shes not going to reject her religion when ask. Angus is amazing and I honestly cant thing of any SNP supporter not ecstatic hes back.


vegemar

Why would there be a new FM? Is something happening or is this just all hypothetical?


Triangle-Walks

It's hypothetical, I don't see why Sturgeon should be going anywhere for some time.


11gb

I think it's probably just he's the one who has obviously had an eye on it, previous "leadership" experience at WM, I'd imagine betting companies would see him as higher profile than Kate Forbes (don't necessarily think that's true these days however). Add in the fact Kate Forbes is 'only' 31, some will see her as not the next leader but after that. Even though NS herself was DFM at 36 but hey ho 🤷‍♂️ The main thing that I always get surprised at is that Nicola Sturgeon and Angus Robertson are the same age.


cityexile

There are times I watch something on T.V. or whatever and think to myself ‘how can that be 20 years ago, that does not seem possible’. Equally just watching the re-run of the Olympics opening ceremony, London 2012 got a mention and I had the opposite feeling...how can that only be 9 years ago! Politically it just seems a whole lifetime ago. Yes a coalition Govt and a bit of a joke London Mayor (whatever happened to him), but despite all that it felt we had kind of got our shit together at a country, at least about how we felt about ourselves. Rise tinted I am sure. Nine years, Brexit, Trump, BJ and it just feels 2012 was just so long ago.


NGP91

>Politically it just seems a whole lifetime ago. Same-sex marriage hadn't even been legislated in 2012!


Cactus-Soup90

I mean, it is fairly rose tinted depending on your life circumstances. It was the time of austerity and less than a year beforehand you had riots through half the major cities. At the same time, we were still in the sovereign debt crisis and had all that Greece business going on. In broader news, I remember us talking about the Libyan civil war, Anders Brevik and so on... Our Olympics were looked on fondly specifically as being a reprieve from everything else.


FlamingBearAttack

I remember Osborne being roundly booed at the paralympics.


powermoustache

Why is it so easy to forget about the London riots? It's hardly ever brought up anymore, but it was a big deal.


Cactus-Soup90

It's forgotten for the same reason it happened, because the country largely doesn't care about the people involved.


powermoustache

That's a fair point.


cityexile

That is all entirely fair and needs to be remembered of course. Even for all that it just seems in a single decade everything has changed. Just getting old I suppose.


Cactus-Soup90

Oh certainly, but I think life's just kinda like that honestly. [This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KioF1sTQFtE) does a great job at considering just a certain little difference between 1996 and 2005.


Sooperfreak

Shit, it is really depressing when you put it like that. It does feel like we were doing better then. Coming out of the GFC, positive international image. All thrown to shit for Cameron’s hubris.


compte-a-usageunique

/u/robertdubois, did you ever manage to get out and try your shortwave radio outside?


Ivebeenfurthereven

That sounds fun. I wish the world's shortwave stations were better maintained, it's really far more useful than internet streaming anywhere outside inhabited areas.


OrphanSaturn

Resident ancients, pre mobile phones, did people stay longer in the office/take work boxes home with them to the same extent that many companies expect employees to be always logged on nowadays? Or was there a much more clearly defined split between work/home after you all got half cut at lunch and drove your company vectra home to your houses with those weird green carpets? E: thanks all, genuinely interesting read


Ivebeenfurthereven

> that many companies expect employees to be always logged on nowadays? I work for the public sector and because the work/life balance is pretty good, I've never experienced this (I'm not even allowed mobile email). Would some idiot boss seriously email in the middle of Friday/Saturday evening and expect a detailed response? Maybe I am sheltered, but what the fuck.


JacobianDominatrix

I mean, you're going quite a way back there. I worked for a major bank in the mid 90s, and certainly we all had mobiles/laptops. But it wasn't ubiquitous, and generally remained the domain of the young/technical. So there was no real expectation of work being able to contact you 24/7 -- but when things got busy (and especially if you were on an hourly/day rate) the ability to rock out of the office was pretty cool. And yesterday's convenience becomes today's bullshit, so...


cityexile

I started with a major bank, about 1980 or so. My memory is getting my first mobile only about the mid 90s, a Nokia and then a Blackberry I think. Something like that. But then I was not very up the pecking order.


JacobianDominatrix

Yep I was right down the bottom, but got a Nokia about then (1996 I think), and a Thinkpad -- largely because there was a lot of hot desking going on as we were transfering phone/paper processes to the web, and I worked on the internal QA. It's crazy to think how top down all processes were back then. My grandfather was quite high up in finance, and helped digitise banks back in the 60s, but never once in his life used a mobile or computer. You had people to do that for you!


cityexile

So easy to forget so much looking back. Going in to the typing pool with my dictaphone tape for one...


JacobianDominatrix

Touch typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned! Also, I'm still fluent in shorthand, and audio transcription. The best devices had that little pedal to slow/speed up the audio.


cityexile

It’s an interesting question and I am trying to think back. I would say there was a greater definition yes, for the average person. There was also a lot more time wasted at work on client visits etc. There is no doubt people can be a lot more efficient now, but the downside is if you allow yourself you are always at the end of an email. Then Lotus123 came on my first computer at work, a 286 from memory, and off we went. My first desk in an office I even had my own ash tray for when I wanted a ciggy.


Sooperfreak

It was a bit of a mixed bag. On the one hand yes, once you were out you were out. But that also meant you'd often have to stay much later, whereas now you can go home and pick things up later. Particularly annoying if you were waiting for something from someone else so you were just left sitting in the office on your own waiting for an e-mail to come through at 9pm.


bbbbbbbbbblah

I guess I work for one of those few companies that gives you a work phone but doesn't expect you to be contactable outside of work hours, and is very good at making sure you get the hours back when you have been needed. Even had one manager who had to have a word because she'd been told that I had been sending emails at 9pm. Not in a disciplinary sense, but more "are you overworked" On liquid lunches, I have colleagues who remember when we had an on site bar.


Jinren

My company is similar, although they eventually gave into my protestations that I _like_ working at random hours of the day and they shouldn't read anything into git commits at 3am or whatever. As long as I'm available for scheduled meetings and work actually gets done on a sprint-by-sprint basis, they don't really mind if we just wander off during daytime hours to go shopping or for a walk or whatever (to an extent it's almost encouraged, the CTO once straight-up said "don't waste the daylight!" during a company townhall!). The advantage of being a mostly-US company with offices across most timezones is that there's always _someone_ to talk to at whatever hour you end up deciding to work, too.


Montague-Withnail

You ever feel like you were born about 30-40 years too late? The talk of an on-site bar gives me that feeling… I’m sure there’s a couple of companies in Germany (Daimler, maybe?) who have a policy that any emails sent outside of working hours are automatically deleted. Seems like a good idea.


bbbbbbbbbblah

the amusing thing is that the site in question isn't in the city centre, so you very probably had to drive to and from work (especially when you were a mobile worker), so that would surely go down well when lubricated. Should at least be automatic DND after working hours, deleting is perhaps a step too far (at least for companies with a global workforce)


Montague-Withnail

Five and drive, right? /s


JensonInterceptor

No life is much harder in every way for younguns


jeanlucriker

I truly hate how I am contactable at any time. I know that has its positives as much as it’s negatives though. It’s so much harder to switch off, and it’s not just a work thing, it’s a personal and relationship thing that effects everything


WestonsandashotofRye

We have come to this place from my childhood where you had to go to the phone box, dial the circular twirly thing, stick your big old penny in, (probably bigger than a modern 50p piece) and then press button A. A big old, chromed bullet of a button. People used to queue at phone boxes, especially in the villages where you'd arranged for a mate to call you at a set time. But hell. People thought nothing of getting up at 5am and walking 3 miles to work. No wonder we were all so skinny. The drugs of choice were local Mild and Bitter beers, a pint of those mixed was 10p when I started drinking aged 14. (I had big sideburns.) And senior service (untipped) fags. One of those would make your head spin in the morning. I sympathise with your angst at modern contactability; I'm sure many people share it. The internet is a marvellous tool but it has many downsides, and currently we are suffering from an apparently global obsession with what everybody thinks about us, from minute to minute. Crazy shit, really, isn't it? Where is our space to be ourselves? To know and understand ourselves, deeply? We need to junk all our social media and watch TV for only one hour a day, for the news. (Unless you are binge watching 'Mare of Easttown', which is compelling.)


popupsforever

> houses with those weird green carpets Would you believe that my grandparents had their *bathroom* done in that weird green carpet at one point


JavaTheCaveman

Did all the males have to sit down when peeing to stop splashes or something? Or did it just get … *absorbed*?


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JavaTheCaveman

They were fixing a problem that shouldn’t have existed in the first place :(


bbbbbbbbbblah

my parents' place has a carpeted bathroom. I will be able to hear your retching from here. the toilet is thankfully hard floored (they are in separate rooms), and their second bathroom/toilet is a wet room.


JavaTheCaveman

Marginally better if it’s bathwater and not sad lemonade, I suppose.


mythical_tiramisu

Just moved into a new place. Bathroom, and separate toilet, are carpeted :-(


JavaTheCaveman

Oh dear. You’ll just have to move again. Can’t risk it.


mythical_tiramisu

I gladly would, back up to Bristol, it was the OH’s insistence we move here. Maybe I’ll get her to remove the damn carpet as penance


JavaTheCaveman

Seems fair to me.


mythical_tiramisu

Absolutely. I have a feeling it won’t pan out that way though…


OrphanSaturn

A sit down wee is pretty top, tbf. I usually treat myself to one a day


Get_Breakfast_Done

I tried to do it, but always ended up going for a number two as long as I’m sitting down


JavaTheCaveman

Did all the males have to sit down when peeing to stop splashes or something? Or did it just get … *absorbed*?


OrphanSaturn

That's grounds for deportation in my Britain, tbh


Hessenuk

The work/life balance of current office life is by far the best it’s ever been.


OrphanSaturn

In what way? My impression from the rents is that they spent a huge amount more time travelling to see clients and stuff would get faxed back to the home machine, or is it a case of hours in office just straight up being longer?


wellfeelingbishop

My experience was less until there was a massive task on then it was in office all weekend


OrphanSaturn

Interesting. I have a similar vibe with my office at the moment, but a lot of my peers seem to be always on their work phone until well into the evening.


vegemar

If schools are so instrumental in spreading COVID, why not shut them early? It feels cruel to be working the little urchins in such oppressive heat. I don't remember being productive past the middle of June. Why do schools finish so late anyway? The French have been on holiday for weeks.


dratsaab

Scottish schools have been shut for weeks now too (since the 26th June) and our case rate has dropped as a result


JavaTheCaveman

The French do also have a slightly earlier *rentrée* than us, which goes a little way (but not the whole way) to rebalancing. I also recall (anecdotal) my cousins in France having slightly longer school days, which probably adds up some more.


bbbbbbbbbblah

don't they do school at weekends or something too? it's like the only thing I remember from pre-GCSE french lessons. They had a bit on someone using a payphone, so that should date it


JavaTheCaveman

It depends on the region, if I recall correctly. Some don’t, some do - but many schools have a half-day, often on Wednesday, as well.


mediocrity511

Something of a moot point now. Lots broke up today. My daughter's school have Monday and Tuesday next week too, but they're the last ones still in that I know of.


powermoustache

Herd immunity innit


dt030

The Zoe model change does seem oddly timed - if they had done it 2 weeks earlier no one would have noticed. There is definitely something interesting happening in the numbers. I suspect we’ll see some interesting commentary in the next couple of weeks as it plays out.


wellfeelingbishop

AT THIS RATE OF EXPONENTIAL GROWTH 17 BILLION PEOPLE WILL DIE IN THE UK BY CHRISTMAS ~ Independent Sage (probably)


panic_puppet11

Don't mock Indie Sage! Remember that they've predicted eight of the last three waves!


popupsforever

Haven't they moved on to "everyone's going to get long covid" now?


Spiz101

ONE QUADRILLION LONG COVID CASES BY OCTOBER!


numberonehangestan

One quadrillion seems kinda low, I was thinking 100 quadrillion tbh


Spiz101

Let's not fearmonger, it will take at least until november to get that high!


wellfeelingbishop

And what is long covid ~ Normal person ALL THE THINGS!


116YearsWar

Do we actually have any idea what long covid entails yet? Or is it still a bunch of potential symptoms ranging from tiredness to complete disability?


redrhyski

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210513/coronavirus-lingers-in-penis-and-could-cause-impotence#1 Researchers armed with an electron microscope found coronavirus particles in penile tissue samples taken from two former COVID-19 patients who became impotent following their infection, which had occurred six and eight months earlier. Further study revealed evidence of blood vessel damage in the penises of the COVID-19 patients, compared to two other men with erectile dysfunction who'd never been infected, the researchers reported May 7 in the World Journal of Men's Health. "We found that the virus affects the blood vessels that supply the penis, causing erectile dysfunction," said senior researcher Dr. Ranjith Ramasamy, director of the reproductive urology program at the University of Miami's Miller School of Medicine. "The blood vessels themselves malfunction and are not able to provide enough blood to enter the penis for an erection." Ramasamy compared this to organ damage in the lungs, kidneys and brain that's been found in COVID-19 patients. "We think the penis also could be affected in a similar way," Ramasamy said. "We don't think this is a temporary effect. We think this could be permanent."


questionyourcore

Had this information been public knowledge during the lockdown, I swear we'd have seen baseline 50% adherence to the restrictions.