‘United in our decision’ – Team GB footballers to take knee at Olympics
By - tipodecinta
I thought the Olympics refused to allow political/social stances?
Quite fitting since Japan is one of the most xenophobic nations on earth.
Is it? My understanding was they are extremely polite to foreigners (maybe with the exception of the Chinese for historical reasons); but their culture can take a lot of adjusting to and as a result is more homogeneous than places like the UK. I wouldn't call that xenophobic.
Japan had both the politest and most helpful people I’ve ever met - and also the only country where I’ve been explicitly told more than once that I wasn’t welcome in a restaurant due to being a foreigner
From reading about living in Japan it's not that they're outwardly rude or nasty about it. It's just they think Japanese = ethnically Japanese and nothing else. So you moving there would be treated politely, certainly no abuse, but you could never *be* Japanese.
This is also reflected in their immigration policies which seem very much designed to keep it this way in spite of a declining birth rate.
I mean, you don't really become Japanese by moving there though. I think it is wrong to impose the way we look at things such as nationality and immigration through a Euroamerican lense.
If you've actually done any reading about the history of Japan and their relationship with "Japanese-ness", it could be argued that the Japanese are as problematic wrt forced assimilation as say England has been historically. It was a big thing in Korea and Taiwan during the colonial era. Local culture, history etc was erased and replaced with Japanese culture and history. Just like in Wales, in Korea speaking your native language was punished.
If you want to read more on this, I recommend:
[Japanese Assimilation Policies in Colonial Korea 1910-1945](https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/0295989017/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_FG1JD1PRVM5XHY6TBY4B) by Mark E. Caprio
[Under the Black Umbrella Voices from Colonial Korea 1910-1945](https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/0801438543/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_PCG117PHQX6RQHCZ2BR4) by Hildi Kang.
The second text is more a collection of oral accounts from people who lived through the Colonial Period in Korea.
Interestingly, as someone who grew up Half Japanese in Scotland a lot of the racism I experienced was peers imposing a Scottish identity on me and invalidating my Japanese heritage.
It's a lot more complicated than "You'll never be Japanese if you aren't purely Japanese." Naomi Osaka is considered to be Japanese, but she gets racial abuse from the far right when she loses(sound familiar?). I've never had anyone say I'm not Japanese because I'm mixed race.
>I mean, you don't really become Japanese by moving there though.
I mean, you don't really become English by moving there though.
(that's so Tommy Robinson-esque 😂)
Japan has been relatively isolated since prehistoric times, and has never been successfully invaded. I suppose it isn't really surprising that their attitudes to the distinction between enthnically Japanese and everyone else should be ingrained. There are relatively few people who are part-Japanese.
Compared to the UK that has been invaded by just about anybody who could sharpen a stick, and has had waves of immigration since the dawn of time. Most people probably can't trace their family tree back beyond their great-grandparents without finding ancestors from abroad, but some of them still hate foreigners.
> Compared to the UK that has been invaded by just about anybody who could sharpen a stick,
Not so much.
Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Scots, Danes, Normans, King Billy?
None of them invaded the United Kingdom. Scotland is IN the united kingdom. My god you people are thick
Our education system sure did a number on you, didn't it?
Let me make something very clear: there are an indigenous people to these isles. We are not a nation of immigrants and no amount of historical revisionism will ever change that.
Errrr... so the Normans and the Anglo Saxons and the Viking settlers were actually just Celts and Picts?
And here I was thinking the term Norman was derived from North Man, or Scandinavian stock by way of what is now north France.
I mean there *are* what you could call indigenous groups in the British Isles but to say we're not a nation of immigrants... only if you don't consider armed invaders immigrants.
>so the Normans and the Anglo Saxons and the Viking settlers were actually just Celts and Picts?
Only the Anglo Saxons had any significant genetic impact on the local population.
>However, another view, the most widely accepted among 21st century scholars, is that the migrants were fewer, possibly centred on a warrior elite. This hypothesis suggests that the incomers achieved a position of political and social dominance, which, aided by intermarriage, initiated a process of acculturation of the natives to the incoming language and material culture. Archaeologists have found that settlement patterns and land use show no clear break with the Romano-British past, though changes in material culture were profound. **This view predicts that the ancestry of the people of Anglo-Saxon and modern England would be largely derived from the Romano-British.**
Okay that is some very selective reading. Did bring up the Romans though who I'd forgotten to include. And yes, interbreeding between populations- WHICH IS THE POINT.
So ~~where~~ from which YouTube channel did you learn this ethno nationalist take on British history?
There was very little mixing with the Romans or any other group aside from the Anglo Saxons. The Japanese also mixed with nearby groups. That doesn't make either a nation of immigrants.
Is there anything _that_ wrong in thinking that?
If I move to Ghana, I wouldn't expect to _be_ Ghanaian!
Many Brazillians arrived in Japan around 1990s. There's quite a lot of Japanese in Brazil (over a million) and have been for about 100 years so there's a lot of integration. They were routinely treated very poorly by the Japanese. In 2009 the existing government ran on a "Send them back" campaign. They offered them $3000 to go back to Brazil. So many took it up that many businesses in Japan struggled to get workers and it had a terrible impact on the economy.
Political correctness is non existent, Koreans and Chinese are looked down upon, foreigners can never be integrated into Japanese culture, far right rallies aren't uncommon nor ww2 apologia/denial.
They are polite but they are still pretty racist.
No lol. If you are a foreigner living in Japan they treat you like sub-human
They are tolerant in that they do not mock you. You will never be one of them though, even if you live their for decades, speak fluent Japanese and have a Japanese partner and kids.
The UK had bonfires with Kill All Taigs written on them on Monday.
Didn't even make the BBC news.
This is a random off-topic brain dump, but the biggest thing that bothers me about kneeling is that Colin Kaepernick protested by kneeling during the national anthem to signify a national problem. It showed conviction to kneel through something that people stand through with pride. It seems like it's been relegated to its own mini-event, where players randomly kneel at the start, as opposed to.. waiting for the whistle? To me that shows little more than clapping for the NHS. The weakness of the statement has been progressively bothering me.
The clapping was terrible because it was promoted by the people who could improve the NHS (the government), "clap to save the NHS so we don't have to"
The kneeling is done by people who don't have the power to stop it, but are the victims (or show support/empathy for the victims), and the people in power who could do something (not stop it entirely but do something) have come out against it and supported those who boo it.
It might be seen as "its own mini-event" but it has been dominating headlines, bringing the problems into the mainstream and support for the government is starting to fall.
As long as it continues to highlight the issues then it’s worth it.
> The weakness of the statement has been progressively bothering me.
They are not the people with the most power to change things though. It is not the most strong statement ever because it is not supposed to be. It is about trying to get the attention of those who do have the power to effect significant change.
Kaepernick was protesting police brutality and racial injustice. That is not a "national problem."
You'll be called a racist for expressing that sort of opinion 😛
Haha, yeah, TBH I typed it, hit submit, then refused to reply to anybody because it would probably take up too much of my day getting called names by people content with the bare minimum :p
Well I certainly won't be attending any of the games if they're going to resort to this.
How dare they appose racism
Pretty sure it's a joke about no fans being allowed at the Olympics.
Yeah kinda obviously was, but I don't think Reddit are smart enough for that one.
I imagine that most of the people downvoting it aren't aware about the fans, and frankly, it's not like people genuinely holding that opinion are *rare*, so I can see why a lot of people think it is.
To be fair, these days there are so many outspoken idiots that sarcasm is virtually indistinguishable from stupidity. If you decide to make a written sarcastic comment that makes you look like a racist, you shouldn't really be shocked when people mistake you for a racist.
Plenty of people would unironically agree with this statement though.
They'll be demanding the right to vote next! It's a slippery slope!
Yeah, by bowling to it, I would had thought a better image is standing up against it, but whatever.
>Yeah, by bowling to it
Here I thought you were trying to pin it on Marxism.
You won't attend a game because at the start of the game they will kneel on one knee for a short while, probably less than a minute?
That action ruins it for you? It's not like they have punched someone in the face just before the started a match, or hurt anyone for that matter by going on one knee.
Seems a little petty to me, it's not like they are saying vote such and such, it's just an action to show opposition to racism. Is that really so bad as to ruin the entire team/Olympics for you? It doesn't seem particularly supportive to your fellow countrymen or patriotic to your team who have been picked as the best we have to offer to represent us as a nation. But alas that's just my interpretation.
It's a joke, because the Olympics are being played in Japan and behind closed doors.
My bad, I'm just too used to this being said honestly by others, people claiming Marxism when it really isn't. Sorry OC, if it was a joke. There gets a point where you hear so much, you no longer are able to detect sarcasm, a sorry fate indeed for a Brit where sarcasm is the primary form of communication.
On the bright side, for every one who genuinely states that they're not going back until they stop, that just means kicking racism out of football is having a positive effect.
I am sure they don't care seeing that people aren't allowed to attend these Olympics due to Covid
That was the intended joke, yes, thank you.
Wow, you too. What’s this sub coming to when /s is needed.
These people are meant to be from
Our use of irony is pretty much the only good thing we have left!
This sub has been flooded with racism apologists recently so it's not surprising that people are loosing their ability to detect sarcasm.
It’s pretty sad nonetheless.
Both mine and u/deeacorn’s were clearly ironic statements.
Thank you :)
We don’t want any politics in these games that are taking place only to save face for the IOC and Japanese governments.
Edit: shocked and saddened that the /s was needed.
>Edit: shocked and saddened that the /s was needed
Can't tell if shitty joke or trying to walk back a bad take.
It’s an ok ironic statement about the inherently political nature of these games.
It’s not. It’s a political movement that I back and think should be universal. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t political even if it isn’t partisan.
Mind you the same is true of sport as a means of maintaining international relations.
if they were protesting against child cancer would that be ok ?
It’s not a question of it being ok.
It’s a question of it being political.
Thinking that humans should interfere with natural health is a political position as Jehovah’s witnesses might tell you.
For the record, almost nothing is apolitical.
But because I am not a cunt or a nutter I support: taking the knee and modern medicine.
Anti-racism is apolitical. The BLM movements are not. I suppose it comes down to whether you associate the gesture with anti-racism alone or the wider BLM movements. The prevailing mood appears to be the former.
Anti Racism ≠ politics
Yup. It’s politics that I think all decent people should agree with, but politics none the less.
Doesn't mean anti racism is never politics though
So equality is politics now?
Very much so, as a glimpse at history or indeed pretty much any given nation shows.
And what equality means and to whom is politics as well.
How would that work? Take the knee for ten seconds before the scene starts?
The Golden Globes were cancelled this year for that reason.
WWE's Undertaker has been doing it for decades
And this year......... at wresttttllllleeeemania..... racism can..... [throat slit gesture] **rest. in. peace.**