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NHS future at risk from 'reckless' Government health reforms, doctors warn

NHS future at risk from 'reckless' Government health reforms, doctors warn

budlystuff

Didn’t the Conservative government sell off NHS data to Palantir the US data and intelligence overlord ? Wasn’t it A no competition contract during Covid ? My memory is Jeremy Corbyn had showed the redacted documents of the sell off during a debate! Contract worth 23 million to the NHS given to PLantir during the pandemic ! Seriously though what in the actual fuck are they playing at !


[deleted]

Yet general public shrugged and were more interested in anti-Semitism FFS


Khazil28

They didn't care, lets be honest. They needed a stick to hit the left with and that was a fine one.


[deleted]

All true I agree, apart from the left is not anti-Semitic. There are pockets of racism everywhere in society, but they are rare/very minimal on the left


Khazil28

I'd disagree there, but mainly in the "left is rarely" thing. Racism is a constant in society, both left and right. It depends on the reporting of it though. The right shrug or obfuscate however. I remember when two Tory MPs were caught out for anti-semetism and the medua made barely a peep.


[deleted]

There is a sense of proportionality about it. The right (proportionally and traditionally) have more racists and racist movements than the left. BTW, the whole "far left" thing is a massive smoke screen and deflection from the real enemy, the far right.


ChewwyStick

They don't give a fuck about antisemitism reallyand not that it even matters if they did care because let's be real, your average tory voter hates the colour brown


tartoran

So im all for medical privacy and think existing nhs data protection is shockingly bad but as far as I can remember the contract was to license some of Palantirs analytical tools, no nhs data (even "anonymised" data (see: deidentified)) changed hands. If anyone has info proving me wrong then feel free to drop it here


The-Syldon

When you vote for Tories - they do Tory things. Nothing you can do about this till next election. Remember only stupid do the same thing twice and expect a different reaction.


[deleted]

Not gonna lie, I was planning on not voting in the next election, but the more I learn about the Tories, the more I want those cunts as far away from power as possible.


The-Syldon

I really disbelieve there is anything like a proud Englishman these days. The UK is shambolic. If you are Scottish, Irish or Welsh I totally get why they want out.


[deleted]

I'm Welsh, so there's that haha.


ChewwyStick

Hope you become free brother. Yes Cymru!


nazrinz3

Same, I hate labour but hate Tories even more so guess labour gets my vote since no one else has a chance of getting in, although when it comes too NHS it was labour that started this mess in the first place the Tories are just accelerating it 😑


MajinCry

A good distinction to make, is that was under the New Labour faction, also known as Blairites. Corbyn was traditional Labour, proper left wing, of Tony Benn's school of thought. Labour now have the Blairites back in charge, after sabotaging the left wing within the party. They deliberately put the Tories into power, as that was preferable to having the left wing in power: https://novaramedia.com/2020/04/12/its-going-to-be-a-long-night-how-members-of-labours-senior-management-campaigned-to-lose/ Me? I'm voting Scottish Socialist Party.


ShinobiS-28

Tories repeatedly voted in though. Looking forward to seeing Brits having to use GoFundMe to pay for insulin and other treatments


DreamingIntoTheVoid

It's not theirs to sell. But I'm fed up with this tired argument of how we need to stop them. Any social progress we make under a progressive government will perpetually be under threat of being sold off to their friends the next time the Tories win a majority. The NHS, green space, community centres. Enough with this nonsense. Support your regional independence movement today. Free North Now.


thepurplescope

Where does the North begin?


YouHaveAWomansMouth

As far as the Tories are concerned about three miles north of the M25.


thepurplescope

As a Londoner I’d vote for a free North with that definition!


MegaDeth6666

Yeah! London should rejoin EU!


thepurplescope

Yes, a liberal island city state. Would be great.


InsideAutomatic

Midlands forgotten as always.


DreamingIntoTheVoid

You haven't been forgotten. We support you in seeking your own regional independence.


InsideAutomatic

Why don't you want the Midlands?


DreamingIntoTheVoid

[The midlands appear to have a different political outlook](https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2015/03/blogs/graphic-detail/2015328_woc001.png) to those that you would find in the North West, North East, and Yorkshire. Part of the reason I feel the necessity for the North to seek independence is because of how these conflicting political agendas cause neglect in Northern regions. Because the midlands are where there's a shift towards conservative/liberal it's difficult to get them on board with the infrastructure spending that the Northern regions require. They are somewhat neglected but their closer proximity make them the regions that the Tories feel like they have to appease. They aren't trying to win elections for the good of the country. They're trying to bribe just enough regions to get a majority. You can kind of see this with how the HS2 project was structured. Their objective was to connect London to Europe with high-speed rail. They don't really care about the rest of the nation. London was connected by HS1 in the 2003. The midlands will be connected in the next decade. The North and Scotland are on late 2030 projections. And we're going to have to fight the SE mp's every fucking step of the way until it's finished because they got theirs so why are we spending their taxes? That money should clearly go to the London crossrail. It just makes 'economic sense'. Meanwhile the North have no cross rail because it doesn't make 'economic sense'. So it's several times faster to get from Manchester to London than it is for Manchester to York or Manchester to Newcastle. So the midlands. While neglected in a way that I'm sympathetic to. Are a step up the pecking order than the Northern regions. This influences out politics. You get a Labour party that thinks it must reject the infrastructural spending that the Northern constituencies need in order to win Tory voters in the South and Midlands. That some how a symbolic victory for Labour where they don't address any of the Norths infrastructural problems is what is needed so that they can convince enough of the South and Midlands to vote for them. And I'm sitting here asking why? I mean strategically it makes sense. That's what they must do. But why? Why as a northerner? Should I want that? Accept my neglect? And that's why I want Northern Independence. It's an acceptance that the idea of a nation is being used to exploit me. The Tories don't see the North as part of them. That's why they don't spend anything up here. In every social metric the North is behind the South. And in some like life expectancy the life span is actually shortening. Think about that. Many of the other metrics show that younger generations tend to have to become economic migrants and move to the South. But in spite of that the elder population that is left behind. People who live to adulthood are still dying prematurely enough to skew the statistics of life expectancy to put us several years behind our southern comrades. So you ask me why I don't want to bring the Midlands with us? The honest fact of the matter is I want to bring everybody with me. It's what I've tried my entire life. To argue for infrastructural spending that would improve the lives of those around me and those across the country who face similar issues. Whether that's in London or Birmingham. But the Midlands. And the South. They don't listen. And in the North our economy declines. Our educational outcomes decline. Our life expectancies decline. Our transportation declines. Our lives are literally in decline. I'm sorry. But I'm just accepting the rejection of the rest of the nation. The North isn't England to the English. I just want to formalise that reality.


[deleted]

Where a chippy sells more peas than curry sauce


DreamingIntoTheVoid

Where the Tories neglect has caused an inequality of outcomes along a variety of social metrics. But I guess I'm specifically talking about the [Northumbria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumbria) as outline by the [Northern Independence Party](https://www.freethenorth.co.uk/). Which would extend from the Humber on the East coast - the Humber of nortHUMBRIA - across to the border of Wales. Then North to the current Scottish border. Or in [current UK regions](https://i.redd.it/a0sm6mip54g51.png) the North West, North East, West Yorkshire, and East Yorkshire.


thepurplescope

That’d be great. I’m from the NW but live in London, could I get citizenship for your new country?


DreamingIntoTheVoid

Yes. Of course you can. Not because you're from the North originally but because you'd want to live and work here. It's not a nationalist movement. It's more a rejection of the nationalism that has allowed Westminster to neglect the regions.


thepurplescope

I don’t want to live and work there though. That’s why I left.


DreamingIntoTheVoid

That's the point though isn't it? That structural neglect of the North has made it so that people feel like they need to move away. I mean in a perfect world people wanting to live elsewhere is fine. Go wherever you like. But the fact is the governance of Westminster has made it so that people feel the necessity to move there.


thepurplescope

I left because I disliked the culture there not for economic reasons.


DreamingIntoTheVoid

Everybody is entitled to their own prerogative. I like the people. I like the area. I want to see us prosper without Westminster's meddling.


dwair

Can Cornwall join please?


thepurplescope

I’d love it if everywhere but London formed their own country.


DreamingIntoTheVoid

The Northern Independence Party is sympathetic to all regional independence movements. We would look to hope to work closely with an independent Kernow.


RichWeld

If you are in Brighton is the rest of the country Defining it as the North is a bit vague Mind you Doris Johnson will like that


budlystuff

It’s an oven ready plan twinned with the Boris Varient !! Next Stop is a Space flight with Mr Dick Branson and media will lap it up !!


[deleted]

Technically "the North" is from Chester upwards, but it is not a straight line division


HPB

> Free North Now. Fucking lol.


DreamingIntoTheVoid

NIP are pretty funny aren't they. It's why like them. <3


Khazil28

Joke parties are always good for a laugh. I mean a northern party using whippets on their logos with founder living in the south? Hilarious.


RedTerror88

The NIP's founder is from Durham.


CV2nm

Anyone who voted Tory doesn’t deserve to use what is left of the NHS. Make them sign up for Bupa


No_Feed9781

The NHS is precious, don't allow the politicians to ruin it. Get rid of the politicians.


Competitive_Mix3627

Quicker the NHS are our Pensions are gone the better, I want the Boomers to feel the pain and anguish they've bestowed on us before they shuffle off this mortal coil. Once those ingrates are gone maybe, just maybe we can rebuild a cleaner, safer and friendlier society.


GhostRiders

What a stupid take. Yeah, completely fuck absolutely everyone because you have a pathetic hate boner against everyone who is older then you.


MegaDeth6666

I'm all for punishing boomers vor their Brexit vote, but this is not the way. First you punish the people that *lied to them*, then you punish them. Otherwise nothing changes.


socratessecret

Interesting that you acknowledge the liars are to blame, but still want those who were lied to, to be punished


MegaDeth6666

IMO, this is one way to placate justice. By the time the politicians are hanged, most of the boomer voters responsible would have died of old age anyway. At this point, maybe there is no longer a need to dismantle the NHS to punish them, since they have already moved on to the sunny uplands of Elysium or w/e Alternatively, taxes for homes owned by retired people could be increased by 10,000% , forcing retired people to sell them and use the proceeding to live in dedicated care homes. Fueling the economy while clearing the room for the people they condemned to Brexit. The second option seems so much more vindictive, yet fair, considering the cruelty imposed by *this* generation on everyone else.


socratessecret

Way to miss the point


MegaDeth6666

The politicians that lied to them have had no past examples of being truthful. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice? Thrice?


pajamakitten

You will be one of those elderly people too some day. You might develop cancer or get hit by a car. If the NHS is crippled then it affects everyone, not just the elderly.


moist_mon

Well no shit, the Tories have been selling of public owned land and privatising industry and everything else for decades. Anyone who doesn't think they will fuck the NHS up too is a moron. Don't think you will pay less tax or national insurance either, you will pay more and get less. But hey," brown people bad "Tories +10


IrvinIrvingIII

I’m sorry we’ve had enough of experts thank you very much.


pajamakitten

As important as it is to fight this, this should act as a reminder to look after your own health to reduce the chances you need to seek help to begin with. It's not a guaranteed way to avoid needing treatment but preventative measures will help reduce the need for you to seek help on a Tory-run NHS.


1984-is_here

They didn't complain about the NHS pfi contracts though, did they. Typical Labour supporting, NHS doctors and nurse's. They can not keep their politics out of our NHS.


RedTerror88

Plenty of healthcare workers complained about PFI, the only people who supported it were crooked politicians and the finance companies who made a fortune out of it. Everything is political, the NHS especially so.